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On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't  First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir.
yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too?
cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix
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Italy12247 Posts
On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir.
That's an interesting and unexpected reaction...
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On July 26 2013 08:55 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir. yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix
What does that last bit say? I don't speak Viking.
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Italy12247 Posts
Oh last huk-related post: while we wrote the pvz guide, a friend of mine wanted to call the gimmicky build section "what the huk just happened???". I'm still waiting to use that name for a guide.
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On July 26 2013 08:56 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:55 Wintex wrote:On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir. yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix What does that last bit say? I don't speak Viking.
french. means "My heart opens to your voice"
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Northern Ireland27322 Posts
I'm not so sure Demuslim is wise in stretching this one out, isn't Crank pretty damn good at the long, drawn-out PvT?
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On July 26 2013 08:57 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:56 AgentW wrote:On July 26 2013 08:55 Wintex wrote:On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir. yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix What does that last bit say? I don't speak Viking. french. means "My heart opens to your voice"
I know it's French....
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On July 26 2013 08:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  CranK spawns in the bottom right  DeMusliM spawns in the top left 1:40 gateway first for CranK rax first for DeMusliM gas for DeMusliM 2:00 gas for CranK cybernetics core for CranK 3:00 reaper for Demuslim zealot for CranK reactor for Demuslim CC on the high ground for Demuslim nexus for Crank 4:00 MSC for Crank 2nd rax for Demuslim 2nd gas for Crank reaper denied scouting of the main by the MSC bunker in the natural for Demuslim reaper swings back around but is denied from the main by a stalker 5:00 robo for Crank 2nd gas for Demuslim stim research started for Demuslim 6:00 double forge for Crank observer for Crank factory for Demuslim stim research started for Demuslim ebay for Demuslim 2 more gas for Crank 7:00 47 vs 43 1-1 started for Crank reaper picks off a probe in the natural and gets away Marauders for Demuslim starport for Demuslim +1 attack started for Demuslim Demuslim breaking down the back rocks 8:00 57 vs 57 cannons in the mineral lines of Crank reaper baits out 2 forcefields and escapes twilight council for Crank medivacs started for Demuslim 2 more gates for Crank combat shields for Demuslim 9:00 65 vs 75 3rd base for Demuslim 2 more gates for Crank charge research for Crank Demuslim moving out with his first 2 medivacs Templar archives for Crank 3 more rax for Demuslim 2nd ebay and armory for Demuslim 10:00 75 vs 84 Demuslim runs up the natural ramp photon overcharge on the natural makes him turn around +1 armor for Demuslim 2-2 for Crank warp prism for Crank 3 more gates for Crank hallucinated phoenix sees the army of Demuslim moving around the back side 11:00 89 vs 109 storm research for Crank +2 attack for Demuslim concussive shells for Demuslim Demuslim attacks towards the natural but photon overcharge makes him turn around ghost academy for Demuslim 12:00 111 vs 129 moebius reactor for Demuslim 3rd base for Crank 2 more rax for Demuslim warp prism loads up zealots and flies into the main of Demuslim 13:00 139 vs 141 zealot drop in the main of Demuslim +2 armor for Demuslim zealot runby to the 3rd of Demuslim 2nd robo for Crank robo bay for Crank ghosts started for Demuslim 14:00 130 vs 154 another zealot drop in the main +1 ship weapons for Demuslim cloak research for Demuslim +3 attack for Demuslim 4th CC for Demuslim 15:00 152 vs 165 double colossus production for Crank viking catches the warp prism for Crank and chases after it missile turrets for Demuslim 2nd starport for Demuslim Extended thermal lance research for Crank zealot runby into the 3rd of Demuslim HT flank storms whole army of Demuslim
16:00 166 vs 171
zealot runby is cleaned up
Demuslim moving across the map towards Crank's 3rd
Crank setting up a defensive position between his 3rd and natural
another CC for Demuslim
vikings for Demuslim
17:00 174 vs 185
warp prism for Crank
4th base lands for Demuslim
+2 ship weapons for Demuslim
3-3 started for Crank
4th base for Crank
quad viking production
Demuslim putting bunkers on the low ground between his natural and 4th
+3 armor for Demuslim
18:00 194 vs 193
cannons for CranK at his bases
floating factory is killed off
another CC for Demuslim
Dark shrine for Crank
4 more gates for Crank
19:00 192 vs 200
warp prism is killed off attempting a zealot drop at the main of Demuslim
warp prism speed for Crank
building armor for Demuslim
sensor tower for Demuslim
20:00 198 vs 199
blink research started for Crank
Demuslim walling off his 3rd with rax
zealot runby to the 3rd is denied and cleaned up
+3 ship weapons for Demuslim
5th base for Crank
+1 plasma shields for Crank
observer speed for Crank
4 more gates for Crank
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Obviously it was a big part of his identity. But renaming himself and saying he wouldn't go to war for religious reasons and celebrating islamic holidays is not equivalent to saying "i am The Muslim".
"Muhammed" and its variations would be a better name than "demuslim"
"Ali" would be even better
It's not about whether ali/ben is a muslim at all. The problem is that the ID "demuslim" is borderline racial/ethnic epithet territory.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I wanted to write a guide once. How to infuriate Protoss with a 10 pool.
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On July 26 2013 08:58 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:57 Wintex wrote:On July 26 2013 08:56 AgentW wrote:On July 26 2013 08:55 Wintex wrote:On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir. yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix What does that last bit say? I don't speak Viking. french. means "My heart opens to your voice" I know it's French....
 I am just trying to be helpful.
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On July 26 2013 08:58 stuchiu wrote:
I wanted to write a guide once. How to infuriate Protoss with a 10 pool.
Some day i'll introduce you to my team mate Karpfen. Best 10pool speed alliner in EU yo.
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On July 26 2013 08:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm not so sure Demuslim is wise in stretching this one out, isn't Crank pretty damn good at the long, drawn-out PvT?
Well, in almost every game/sport, the longer game favors the better team. If we're going to accept that all Koreans are better than all foreigners, yes, it would seem foolhardy.
In reality, I think he can do it but Protoss splash and instant remax if unmolested will destroy Terran bio/viking/ghost.
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United States23455 Posts
Huk seems to just... Not study what Top protosses are doing and does his own thing. It used to work but now his style just seems incredibly antiquated.
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Northern Ireland27322 Posts
On July 26 2013 08:59 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm not so sure Demuslim is wise in stretching this one out, isn't Crank pretty damn good at the long, drawn-out PvT? Well, in almost every game/sport, the longer game favors the better team. If we're going to accept that all Koreans are better than all foreigners, yes, it would seem foolhardy. In reality, I think he can do it but Protoss splash and instant remax if unmolested will destroy Terran bio/viking/ghost.
Well, some players are good at longer games over shorter games, I've been impressed by Crank's lategame management
It would be like taking on Hasuobs in a turtling game, it plays into his comfort zone. That said I do think Demuslim is playing this out pretty well here, good positioning and posturing at present
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On July 26 2013 08:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 CranK spawns in the bottom right DeMusliM spawns in the top left 1:40 gateway first for CranK rax first for DeMusliM gas for DeMusliM 2:00 gas for CranK cybernetics core for CranK 3:00 reaper for Demuslim zealot for CranK reactor for Demuslim CC on the high ground for Demuslim nexus for Crank 4:00 MSC for Crank 2nd rax for Demuslim 2nd gas for Crank reaper denied scouting of the main by the MSC bunker in the natural for Demuslim reaper swings back around but is denied from the main by a stalker 5:00 robo for Crank 2nd gas for Demuslim stim research started for Demuslim 6:00 double forge for Crank observer for Crank factory for Demuslim stim research started for Demuslim ebay for Demuslim 2 more gas for Crank 7:00 47 vs 43 1-1 started for Crank reaper picks off a probe in the natural and gets away Marauders for Demuslim starport for Demuslim +1 attack started for Demuslim Demuslim breaking down the back rocks 8:00 57 vs 57 cannons in the mineral lines of Crank reaper baits out 2 forcefields and escapes twilight council for Crank medivacs started for Demuslim 2 more gates for Crank combat shields for Demuslim 9:00 65 vs 75 3rd base for Demuslim 2 more gates for Crank charge research for Crank Demuslim moving out with his first 2 medivacs Templar archives for Crank 3 more rax for Demuslim 2nd ebay and armory for Demuslim 10:00 75 vs 84 Demuslim runs up the natural ramp photon overcharge on the natural makes him turn around +1 armor for Demuslim 2-2 for Crank warp prism for Crank 3 more gates for Crank hallucinated phoenix sees the army of Demuslim moving around the back side 11:00 89 vs 109 storm research for Crank +2 attack for Demuslim concussive shells for Demuslim Demuslim attacks towards the natural but photon overcharge makes him turn around ghost academy for Demuslim 12:00 111 vs 129 moebius reactor for Demuslim 3rd base for Crank 2 more rax for Demuslim warp prism loads up zealots and flies into the main of Demuslim 13:00 139 vs 141 zealot drop in the main of Demuslim +2 armor for Demuslim zealot runby to the 3rd of Demuslim 2nd robo for Crank robo bay for Crank ghosts started for Demuslim 14:00 130 vs 154 another zealot drop in the main +1 ship weapons for Demuslim cloak research for Demuslim +3 attack for Demuslim 4th CC for Demuslim 15:00 152 vs 165 double colossus production for Crank viking catches the warp prism for Crank and chases after it missile turrets for Demuslim 2nd starport for Demuslim Extended thermal lance research for Crank zealot runby into the 3rd of Demuslim HT flank storms whole army of Demuslim 16:00 166 vs 171 zealot runby is cleaned up Demuslim moving across the map towards Crank's 3rd Crank setting up a defensive position between his 3rd and natural another CC for Demuslim vikings for Demuslim 17:00 174 vs 185 warp prism for Crank 4th base lands for Demuslim +2 ship weapons for Demuslim 3-3 started for Crank 4th base for Crank quad viking production Demuslim putting bunkers on the low ground between his natural and 4th +3 armor for Demuslim 18:00 194 vs 193 cannons for CranK at his bases floating factory is killed off another CC for Demuslim Dark shrine for Crank 4 more gates for Crank 19:00 192 vs 200 warp prism is killed off attempting a zealot drop at the main of Demuslim warp prism speed for Crank building armor for Demuslim sensor tower for Demuslim 20:00 198 vs 199 blink research started for Crank Demuslim walling off his 3rd with rax zealot runby to the 3rd is denied and cleaned up +3 ship weapons for Demuslim 5th base for Crank +1 plasma shields for Crank observer speed for Crank 4 more gates for Crank
21:00 186 vs 197
warp prism full of zealots dies to a missilet urret
feedback snipe trade between ghosts and templars
hi sec auto tracking for Demuslim
Demuslim breaking down the rocks to Crank's 3rd
22:00 190 vs 197
photon overcharge on the 3rd nexus and a timewarp on the choke makes Demuslim back off
5th base lands for Demuslim and starts morphing into a PF
engagement outside Crank's 4th
emp hits a large portion of the army
Crank retreats
Demuslim runs up to the 5th base of Crank and kills off the nexus
6th base for Demuslim
23:00 175 vs 197
+2 plasma shields for Crank
zealot runby to the 5th of Demuslim
nothing there to repair the PF so it falls to the zealots
2 more CCs for Demuslim
Demuslim floating his 6th in the bottom center towards where his 5th was in the center left
24:00 200 vs 200
zealot runby attempt to the 3rd is denied
+1 vehicle armor for Demuslim
PF morphing at the 5th of Demuslim
2 warp prisms for Crank
5th rebuilding for Crank
DT runby to the 3rd of Demuslim is denied
5th of Demuslim falls to zealots again
25:00 196 vs 198
another warp prism for Crank
Demuslim floating out another 5th
+3 plasma shields for Crank
another CC for Demuslim
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On July 26 2013 08:55 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:On July 26 2013 08:43 Teoita wrote:On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote:I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count. I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi.... As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming. Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta... Your post deserves sex, sir. yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix
I became a bomber fan today after he tweeted about his own bomber's law and the artosis blessing
<3
but no, your post deserves only tears!
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