Demuslim seems to have gone unidirectional. He wants to win one major fight, but Crank probably won't give him one and will just slowly whittle him down.
On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count.
I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi....
As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming.
Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp
If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta...
Your post deserves sex, sir.
yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix
I became a bomber fan today after he tweeted about his own bomber's law and the artosis blessing <3
but no, your post deserves only tears! >: |
as long as you hate symbol, I'll love you (and your great Gu).
It's silly when terran complain that protoss just "remax" after the big battle, and them not being able to, and neglect the fact that the toss adds gateways throughout the entire game, and terrans usually stop at like 9ish rax
On July 26 2013 08:57 Wombat_NI wrote: I'm not so sure Demuslim is wise in stretching this one out, isn't Crank pretty damn good at the long, drawn-out PvT?
Well, in almost every game/sport, the longer game favors the better team. If we're going to accept that all Koreans are better than all foreigners, yes, it would seem foolhardy.
In reality, I think he can do it but Protoss splash and instant remax if unmolested will destroy Terran bio/viking/ghost.
Well, some players are good at longer games over shorter games, I've been impressed by Crank's lategame management
It would be like taking on Hasuobs in a turtling game, it plays into his comfort zone. That said I do think Demuslim is playing this out pretty well here, good positioning and posturing at present
The first part of my point is true (longer games favor better teams/players), but we're past that point (cheese, mostly). The rest of it was just a silly joke of an argument.
Losing that base wasn't good. He has to keep floating CCs over. I'm scared CranK's going to keep up on even bases and just be able to remax faster and use splash to his advantage. I think this super late scenario favors Protoss unless Terran goes BC or something else.
On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count.
I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi....
As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming.
Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp
If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta...
Your post deserves sex, sir.
yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix
I became a bomber fan today after he tweeted about his own bomber's law and the artosis blessing <3
but no, your post deserves only tears! >: |
as long as you hate symbol, I'll love you (and your great Gu).
On July 26 2013 08:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: I find it really interesting that Demuslim always hits around the 14 minute timing and every game Huk had exactly 1 collosus without range and a bunch of random gateway units that don't even count.
I'm no expert in pvt, but wouldn't First's style be better suited against this timing. Getting templar first then go into collosi....
As long as you don't stay on pure gate units forever you can hold whatever terran attack is coming.
Huk just kinda...picks a random idea and sticks with it wether it's good or bad. I've seen him: not get aoe vs terran for insanely long not get colossi vs zerg going swarm host go tempest vs colossi while having a one base econ in pvp
If you can somehow engage more than perfectly yeah you MIGHT be able to pull off silly shit like that, but generally it's never, ever, EVER going to work vs someone of even skill. Huk could do it in 2011 because he IS really damn good at battle tactics and micro, especially on a good day, but now he's just fallen off so he gets punished for stupid builds like those. I mean, he DID defend a 4gate with a double gas first mothership rush once in beta...
Your post deserves sex, sir.
yo neoghaleon, doesn't my octbomberfest post deserve sex too? cmon, i need your guiding light. mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix
I became a bomber fan today after he tweeted about his own bomber's law and the artosis blessing <3
but no, your post deserves only tears! >: |
as long as you hate symbol, I'll love you (and your great Gu).
0:00 CranK spawns in the bottom right DeMusliM spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for CranK rax first for DeMusliM gas for DeMusliM
2:00 gas for CranK cybernetics core for CranK
3:00 reaper for Demuslim zealot for CranK reactor for Demuslim CC on the high ground for Demuslim nexus for Crank
4:00 MSC for Crank 2nd rax for Demuslim 2nd gas for Crank reaper denied scouting of the main by the MSC bunker in the natural for Demuslim reaper swings back around but is denied from the main by a stalker
5:00 robo for Crank 2nd gas for Demuslim stim research started for Demuslim
6:00 double forge for Crank observer for Crank factory for Demuslim stim research started for Demuslim ebay for Demuslim 2 more gas for Crank
7:00 47 vs 43 1-1 started for Crank reaper picks off a probe in the natural and gets away Marauders for Demuslim starport for Demuslim +1 attack started for Demuslim Demuslim breaking down the back rocks
8:00 57 vs 57 cannons in the mineral lines of Crank reaper baits out 2 forcefields and escapes twilight council for Crank medivacs started for Demuslim 2 more gates for Crank combat shields for Demuslim
9:00 65 vs 75 3rd base for Demuslim 2 more gates for Crank charge research for Crank Demuslim moving out with his first 2 medivacs Templar archives for Crank 3 more rax for Demuslim 2nd ebay and armory for Demuslim
10:00 75 vs 84 Demuslim runs up the natural ramp photon overcharge on the natural makes him turn around +1 armor for Demuslim 2-2 for Crank warp prism for Crank 3 more gates for Crank hallucinated phoenix sees the army of Demuslim moving around the back side
11:00 89 vs 109 storm research for Crank +2 attack for Demuslim concussive shells for Demuslim Demuslim attacks towards the natural but photon overcharge makes him turn around ghost academy for Demuslim
12:00 111 vs 129 moebius reactor for Demuslim 3rd base for Crank 2 more rax for Demuslim warp prism loads up zealots and flies into the main of Demuslim
13:00 139 vs 141 zealot drop in the main of Demuslim +2 armor for Demuslim zealot runby to the 3rd of Demuslim 2nd robo for Crank robo bay for Crank ghosts started for Demuslim
14:00 130 vs 154 another zealot drop in the main +1 ship weapons for Demuslim cloak research for Demuslim +3 attack for Demuslim 4th CC for Demuslim
15:00 152 vs 165 double colossus production for Crank viking catches the warp prism for Crank and chases after it missile turrets for Demuslim 2nd starport for Demuslim Extended thermal lance research for Crank zealot runby into the 3rd of Demuslim HT flank storms whole army of Demuslim
16:00 166 vs 171 zealot runby is cleaned up Demuslim moving across the map towards Crank's 3rd Crank setting up a defensive position between his 3rd and natural another CC for Demuslim vikings for Demuslim
17:00 174 vs 185 warp prism for Crank 4th base lands for Demuslim +2 ship weapons for Demuslim 3-3 started for Crank 4th base for Crank quad viking production Demuslim putting bunkers on the low ground between his natural and 4th +3 armor for Demuslim
18:00 194 vs 193 cannons for CranK at his bases floating factory is killed off another CC for Demuslim Dark shrine for Crank 4 more gates for Crank
19:00 192 vs 200 warp prism is killed off attempting a zealot drop at the main of Demuslim warp prism speed for Crank building armor for Demuslim sensor tower for Demuslim
20:00 198 vs 199 blink research started for Crank Demuslim walling off his 3rd with rax zealot runby to the 3rd is denied and cleaned up +3 ship weapons for Demuslim 5th base for Crank +1 plasma shields for Crank observer speed for Crank 4 more gates for Crank
21:00 186 vs 197 warp prism full of zealots dies to a missilet urret feedback snipe trade between ghosts and templars hi sec auto tracking for Demuslim Demuslim breaking down the rocks to Crank's 3rd
22:00 190 vs 197 photon overcharge on the 3rd nexus and a timewarp on the choke makes Demuslim back off 5th base lands for Demuslim and starts morphing into a PF engagement outside Crank's 4th emp hits a large portion of the army Crank retreats Demuslim runs up to the 5th base of Crank and kills off the nexus 6th base for Demuslim
23:00 175 vs 197 +2 plasma shields for Crank zealot runby to the 5th of Demuslim nothing there to repair the PF so it falls to the zealots 2 more CCs for Demuslim Demuslim floating his 6th in the bottom center towards where his 5th was in the center left
24:00 200 vs 200 zealot runby attempt to the 3rd is denied +1 vehicle armor for Demuslim PF morphing at the 5th of Demuslim 2 warp prisms for Crank 5th rebuilding for Crank DT runby to the 3rd of Demuslim is denied 5th of Demuslim falls to zealots again
25:00 196 vs 198 another warp prism for Crank Demuslim floating out another 5th +3 plasma shields for Crank another CC for Demuslim
26:00 198 vs 199 4 more gates for Crank more missile turrets for Demuslim as he sees warp prisms vikings kill 2 warp prism zelaot runby to the 4th of Crank
27:00 196 vs 197 Demuslim attempting to take a 5th in the top center this time PF morphing at the 5th of Demuslim zealot runby to the 4th of Demuslim meets the terran army Crank forces a lift of the 5th of Demuslim before it finishes morphing 2 more warp prisms for Crank 4 more rax for Demuslim
28:00 192 vs 199 DT blocking 5th of Demuslim from landing 4k -5.5k bank for Demuslim 4k-3.5k bank for Crank
29:00 184 vs 199 Demuslim lands his 5th again and starts a PF Demuslim lands a 2nd CC next to the 5th zealot runby attempt is intercepted again storm on the scvs at the 4th of Demuslim 2nd PF at the 5th of Demuslim
30:00 178 vs 180 zealots at the 4th of Demuslim are cleaned up zealot warp in in the main of Demuslim starts killing rax Demuslim attacking the 5th of Crank 6th for Crank 5th of Crank is destroyed but Crank saves most of the probes
EPT
186 vs 
197
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