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On June 27 2013 19:20 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote:
I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Or maybe it had something to do with the failed blink/Colossi timing? Thats the problem, every time a protoss players army enters the opponents half of the map it is considered a "timing" and is borderline all-in. It's hard to put on small pressures without being cost ineffective as protoss, since the higher tech units are to slow to save.
because he lost his mothership core and couldn't recall out.
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On June 27 2013 19:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
Uh oh. Artosis just said Yonghwa was going to win. Poor guy.
I bet Tasteless did too...
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On June 27 2013 19:19 Fionn wrote:
I think Keen is better than Bomber currently.
He's under the radar really strong right now.
I have to agree, Keen has played solid pretty much every time I've seen him in Hots and Bomber has been so iffy.
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On June 27 2013 19:17 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:14 HolyArrow wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:08 Big J wrote:Those speedy Warp Prisms. Completely impossible to catch them...  Ah yes, forgot that their movespeed in Phase Mode got tremendously buffed. Lol but that's the point. In the midst of everyone bitching about impossible-to-catch WPs flying around warping in 30 zealots in their main (lol), a lot of whiners conveniently ignored the fact that WPs need to be in phasing mode to warp shit in. Except in this case—and it often happens—PartinG parked his Prism without hiding, forgot about it and therefore lost him.
But then you have to ask yourself, how much is your theorycrafting worth if players as good as Parting are fucking up with it? I could as easily theorycraft about why speedivacs are actually OP and that Terran players simply make too many mistakes utilizing them. The simple fact is that I have yet to see buffed WPs illustrating their supposed OP-ness at the pro level, and if you just claim the pro messed up whenever the supposedly OP speed-buffed WP is used top not-so-great effect, how OP is it actually when it's difficult enough to use that the pros keep making mistakes with it.
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On June 27 2013 19:21 MagickMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
Uh oh. Artosis just said Yonghwa was going to win. Poor guy. I bet Tasteless did too...
No, Tasteless actually said Squirtle was going to.
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On June 27 2013 19:20 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote:
I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Or maybe it had something to do with the failed blink/Colossi timing? Thats the problem, every time a protoss players army enters the opponents half of the map it is considered a "timing" and is borderline all-in. It's hard to put on small pressures without being cost ineffective as protoss, since the higher tech units are to slow to save.
You can have fun on our side now. The darn mommaship core is so good.
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On June 27 2013 19:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
Uh oh. Artosis just said Yonghwa was going to win. Poor guy.
I think he did that on purpose so Squirtle would win. But I am not sure if the curse works if he doesn't really mean it :D
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On June 27 2013 19:20 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote:
I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Or maybe it had something to do with the failed blink/Colossi timing? Thats the problem, every time a protoss players army enters the opponents half of the map it is considered a "timing" and is borderline all-in. It's hard to put on small pressures without being cost ineffective as protoss, since the higher tech units are to slow to save.
Blame Sentries/Warpgate/Colossi.
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On June 27 2013 19:21 Highcounsel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:19 Fionn wrote:
I think Keen is better than Bomber currently.
He's under the radar really strong right now. I have to agree, Keen has played solid pretty much every time I've seen him in Hots and Bomber has been so iffy.
Yes Keen is on point:
FGSTL: KeeN(captain) 20
Thank you Keen!
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On June 27 2013 19:20 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote:
I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Or maybe it had something to do with the failed blink/Colossi timing? Thats the problem, every time a protoss players army enters the opponents half of the map it is considered a "timing" and is borderline all-in. It's hard to put on small pressures without being cost ineffective as protoss, since the higher tech units are to slow to save.
I sometimes forget that flying tier1-unit from a nexus making Protoss able to recall their whole army 
Gusseing for Parting to go through anyways.
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On June 27 2013 19:22 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
Uh oh. Artosis just said Yonghwa was going to win. Poor guy. I think he did that on purpose so Squirtle would win. But I am not sure if the curse works if he doesn't really mean it :D
PartinG wins vs either of them, according to aligulac, so....
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Imo, if he had moved back after he used all his forcefields (when supernova had lost all his vikings), and not engaged again when he lost the last 2 collosus, Supernova's SCV pull wouldn't have worked.
Having said that, the SCV pulls (both games) seemed reactionary so I don't think he would have pulled his SCVs in that scenario.
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On June 27 2013 19:21 Highcounsel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:19 Fionn wrote:
I think Keen is better than Bomber currently.
He's under the radar really strong right now. I have to agree, Keen has played solid pretty much every time I've seen him in Hots and Bomber has been so iffy.
I've had Bomber on my anti-team all season long for FGSTL and he has lost me a total of 5 points all of which were due to his team winning.
Keen on the other hand has scored more points than anyone else in the FGSTL.
Take that as evidence for how the two have matched up lately.
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On June 27 2013 19:19 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote:
I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Uh, no. Drops might have been a problem once upon a time in wol, but with planetary nexus and recall there is no reason for Protoss to have trouble with drops. The real problem is that Protoss players are trying to be qtpies and go for two tech paths and a quick third at the same time, which then turns into a giant "pull workers and kill me plz". You don't go colossus Templar and a third at the same time in any other MU, but Terran is supposed to let you get away with it?
He stopped colossus production entirely and you HAVE to switch quickly enough or your opponent gets an optimal viking count and... pulls SCVs and kills you. Recall is really bad for defense, it takes several seconds for the army to recall back. He flies away, attacks somewhere else, expands cus he knows where the army is at, plus it costs you 1 overcharge or time warp.
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lol, both IM toss going full yolo
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I'd prefer Yonghwa to win.
Looks like he's going to do it too
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On June 27 2013 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:17 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:14 HolyArrow wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:08 Big J wrote:Those speedy Warp Prisms. Completely impossible to catch them... Ah yes, forgot that their movespeed in Phase Mode got tremendously buffed. Lol but that's the point. In the midst of everyone bitching about impossible-to-catch WPs flying around warping in 30 zealots in their main (lol), a lot of whiners conveniently ignored the fact that WPs need to be in phasing mode to warp shit in. Except in this case—and it often happens—PartinG parked his Prism without hiding, forgot about it and therefore lost him. But then you have to ask yourself, how much is your theorycrafting worth if players as good as Parting are fucking up with it? I could as easily theorycraft about why speedivacs are actually OP and that Terran players simply make too many mistakes utilizing them. The simple fact is that I have yet to see buffed WPs illustrating their supposed OP-ness at the pro level, and if you just claim the pro messed up whenever the supposedly OP speed-buffed WP is used top not-so-great effect, how OP is it actually when it's difficult enough to use that the pros keep making mistakes with it.
And then there are countless examples of Parting, sOs, Rain and other Protosses doing miracles with it.
Parting just screwd up big time the whole game.
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On June 27 2013 19:20 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote:
I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Or maybe it had something to do with the failed blink/Colossi timing? Thats the problem, every time a protoss players army enters the opponents half of the map it is considered a "timing" and is borderline all-in. It's hard to put on small pressures without being cost ineffective as protoss, since the higher tech units are to slow to save.
Pretty much my thoughts. And PartinG's control was not so bad imho. He had not enough at that point but couldn't retreat, therefore had to do as much damage as he could with what he had, => borderline allin.
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On June 27 2013 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:17 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:14 HolyArrow wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 19:08 Big J wrote:Those speedy Warp Prisms. Completely impossible to catch them... Ah yes, forgot that their movespeed in Phase Mode got tremendously buffed. Lol but that's the point. In the midst of everyone bitching about impossible-to-catch WPs flying around warping in 30 zealots in their main (lol), a lot of whiners conveniently ignored the fact that WPs need to be in phasing mode to warp shit in. Except in this case—and it often happens—PartinG parked his Prism without hiding, forgot about it and therefore lost him. But then you have to ask yourself, how much is your theorycrafting worth if players as good as Parting are fucking up with it? I could as easily theorycraft about why speedivacs are actually OP and that Terran players simply make too many mistakes utilizing them. The simple fact is that I have yet to see buffed WPs illustrating their supposed OP-ness at the pro level, and if you just claim the pro messed up whenever the supposedly OP speed-buffed WP is used top not-so-great effect, how OP is it actually when it's difficult enough to use that the pros keep making mistakes with it.
? I wasn't theorycrafting at all, no idea why you use the term. The consequences of the Prism buff are more complicated than "OP" or not, and at any rate will not be fully seen in the first week following the patch... In this case it didn't matter anyway because the game wasn't even.
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You only need 4 sentries to FF a ramp indefinitely. right?
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EPT
