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On June 27 2013 19:15 Incognoto wrote: I'm a zerg player so I'm pretty clueless about PvT, but didn't Partig deserve to lose that game after losing 3 Colossi for nothing? Of course, but Hellbats, MULEs, blablabla...
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On June 27 2013 19:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:15 Incognoto wrote: I'm a zerg player so I'm pretty clueless about PvT, but didn't Partig deserve to lose that game after losing 3 Colossi for nothing? Had he kept those alive I think the game would have turned out differently.. Yes he did. He went for a big attack following his successful drop defense while Supernova was taking a third command center. The attack did almost nothing and he lost his collosus in the process it was a HUGE setback for him.
Yeah. I actually thought was was going to posture a little while securing his third, rather than actually attack. SN also did some nice flanking drops on the Colossi with the medivacs to snipe them. After that, Parting was accelerating downhill.
Sigh. Anyway, time I was out of here.
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I do think that either Bomber or Keen will not advance. Bomber because well he is Bomber and Keen because he seems to get unlucky at times.
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On June 27 2013 19:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:15 Incognoto wrote: I'm a zerg player so I'm pretty clueless about PvT, but didn't Partig deserve to lose that game after losing 3 Colossi for nothing? Had he kept those alive I think the game would have turned out differently.. Yes he did. He went for a big attack following his successful drop defense while Supernova was taking a third command center. The attack did almost nothing and he lost his collosus in the process it was a HUGE setback for him.
He did force a lift on the third, kill several vikings and some SCVs but he took too long to go into storm after that. Plus he stopped upgrading.
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On June 27 2013 19:17 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:16 Fionn wrote: I hope the semifinals are Flash/Keen and Fantasy/Innovation. Fionn no. Flash vs Bomber for the ultimate TvT greed and Fantasy innovation for aggression hell. haha, Flash and Bomber would probably be maxed on 3/3 raven/BC before the first big fight happens.
now i wanna see that.
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I think Keen is better than Bomber currently.
He's under the radar really strong right now.
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Supernova completely deserved that win. Very nice defense against that timing and knew how to capitalize on his advantage. Parting just dropped the ball
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On June 27 2013 19:16 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 08:08 Zealously wrote:I'm going to try this one more time: Go Bomber/Hurricane/Squirtle/Supernova! + Show Spoiler +If none of these advance, you know what happened I'M SO CONFUSED Only works on the players you actually want to win my dear.
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On June 27 2013 19:13 sudete wrote: We should think of a name for that 3 base SCV pull all-in timing off 2/2 upgrades!
The Midlife Identify Crisis Push?
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wake up to teamkill.
Think about going back to sleep..
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On June 27 2013 19:17 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:15 Lazzi wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 sudete wrote: We should think of a name for that 3 base SCV pull all-in timing off 2/2 upgrades! let's call it "you're screwed" Sounds accurate to me.
let's call it the kill-switch. Since it often looks like the Terran wants to go full macro-mode and then he just goes 'well, I can also just kill you right now'
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On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote: I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult.
Uh, no. Drops might have been a problem once upon a time in wol, but with planetary nexus and recall there is no reason for Protoss to have trouble with drops. The real problem is that Protoss players are trying to be qtpies and go for two tech paths and a quick third at the same time, which then turns into a giant "pull workers and kill me plz". You don't go colossus Templar and a third at the same time in any other MU, but Terran is supposed to let you get away with it?
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On June 27 2013 19:18 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 27 2013 19:15 Incognoto wrote: I'm a zerg player so I'm pretty clueless about PvT, but didn't Partig deserve to lose that game after losing 3 Colossi for nothing? Had he kept those alive I think the game would have turned out differently.. Yes he did. He went for a big attack following his successful drop defense while Supernova was taking a third command center. The attack did almost nothing and he lost his collosus in the process it was a HUGE setback for him. Basically, whenever you are left with only stalkers, against a terran with a standing economy, you lose. Stalkers are strong support units but suck incredibly badly on their own, unless a) you are 2011 MC b) you are 6gate allining in PvZ
b) is a pretty unique situation in against a Terran with a standing economy
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On June 27 2013 19:18 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:17 Wintex wrote:On June 27 2013 19:16 Fionn wrote: I hope the semifinals are Flash/Keen and Fantasy/Innovation. Fionn no. Flash vs Bomber for the ultimate TvT greed and Fantasy innovation for aggression hell. haha, Flash and Bomber would probably be maxed on 3/3 raven/BC before the first big fight happens. now i wanna see that.
Fantasy vs Innovation would just be hellbat drops all day lol
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That game was the perfect example of How to lose a game to a Terran as a Protoss due to bad army control.
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On June 27 2013 19:18 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:16 xAdra wrote:On June 27 2013 19:15 Swisslink wrote:On June 27 2013 19:14 Jmanthedragonguy wrote: 100% Terran advance rate '-' Even better, only Maru lost a Map xD Unfortunately, Rain will beat bomber and keen to prevent us from being able to QQ. I sincerely hope I'm right about this. Well Bomber on a good day is a TvP god, and Keen isnt that bad in TvP either iirc True. KeeN is no slouch in TvP and Bomber was the one of the only to beat Rain during his rise in WoL last fall.
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On June 27 2013 19:14 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:13 Zealot Lord wrote: I think this just all boils back down to protoss unable to take a quick 3rd against terran anymore due to mass drops - stopping this SCV train pull with a lesser economy is just so difficult. Or maybe it had something to do with the failed blink/Colossi timing? Thats the problem, every time a protoss players army enters the opponents half of the map it is considered a "timing" and is borderline all-in. It's hard to put on small pressures without being cost ineffective as protoss, since the higher tech units are to slow to save.
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On June 27 2013 19:19 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:18 xAdra wrote:On June 27 2013 19:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 27 2013 19:15 Incognoto wrote: I'm a zerg player so I'm pretty clueless about PvT, but didn't Partig deserve to lose that game after losing 3 Colossi for nothing? Had he kept those alive I think the game would have turned out differently.. Yes he did. He went for a big attack following his successful drop defense while Supernova was taking a third command center. The attack did almost nothing and he lost his collosus in the process it was a HUGE setback for him. Basically, whenever you are left with only stalkers, against a terran with a standing economy, you lose. Stalkers are strong support units but suck incredibly badly on their own, unless a) you are 2011 MC b) you are 6gate allining in PvZ b) is a pretty unique situation in against a Terran with a standing economy 
nah mass stalker is good against Zerg if you're busting his front. Lost my immortals? Meh I have 30 stalkers, gl with that
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On June 27 2013 19:19 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 19:17 Wingblade wrote:On June 27 2013 19:15 Lazzi wrote:On June 27 2013 19:13 sudete wrote: We should think of a name for that 3 base SCV pull all-in timing off 2/2 upgrades! let's call it "you're screwed" Sounds accurate to me. let's call it the kill-switch. Since it often looks like the Terran wants to go full macro-mode and then he just goes 'well, I can also just kill you right now'
I don't know man, I like Midlife Identity Crisis Push. Captures the same effect, but with comedy.
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Uh oh. Artosis just said Yonghwa was going to win. Poor guy.
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