On June 25 2013 19:00 HolyArrow wrote: In light of Life losing to Sjow, that was pretty unsurprising. Wouldn't be unexpected for Life to go out in last place this group. Not that Sjow is bad, but you probably shouldn't be dropping Bo3s to foreigners if you want to be considered a top-level player.
Come on, all players have off days. You don't suddenly stop being a top player because you haven't played well over the last 2-3 weeks.
Well, an off-day is an off-day. A month of underwhelming play is a slump, and to me when someone's slumping it means that they're not currently a top-level player. Life hasn't really impressed me much since he beat Flash at MLG a while ago. He got eliminated in the Ro16 of Code S, dropped 2 Bo3s to foreigners at DH Summer, and also got pretty convincingly beaten by Ryung recently in the GSTL. He hasn't been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been performing up to his reputation.
yeah. Life's gameplay has been pretty bad lately. I think last season his games were still good. But his ZvT style is really questionable right now and his ZvZ has never been overly strong. I guess his ZvP is still solid, but not topnotch either...
It's because Life's aggressive style gets perfectly countered by the terran's new tools.
I dont think that's the coreproblem. I rather think that his main problem is that he doesn't have good enough training partners and therefore underestimates his opponents. And he is aweful at cleaning up minefields. Like, each of his games there is some random minefield in which he runs units knowingly or unknowingly, instead of just investing into 2-3overseers all over the map.
If his training partners right now hold him back, how the hell did he beat everyone in 2012 and how the hell did he win MLG?
because in 2012 and early 2013 Startale was one of the best SC2 teams. These days it's not anymore. In the face of Kespa Teams it's probably not even mediocre at this point in time.
Startale is still pretty good I think you're being a bit hard on them
On June 25 2013 19:08 Mattumsfox wrote: I remember when I first came to Teamliquid and heard that they just ban all the people crying about balance. What ever happened to this? I see so much crying in every thread now it is almost as bad as the sc2 general forums.
As long as the balance whine is to favor a player with huge fan base in TL, it doesn't count. TL is a business, not public service trying to protect justice.
If I wasn't so lazy I would give you a link to a OSL thread when Shine beat Bisu.
there was no injustice there.
but 3 hatch hydra is the shittest build in all of BW.
On June 25 2013 19:00 HolyArrow wrote: In light of Life losing to Sjow, that was pretty unsurprising. Wouldn't be unexpected for Life to go out in last place this group. Not that Sjow is bad, but you probably shouldn't be dropping Bo3s to foreigners if you want to be considered a top-level player.
Come on, all players have off days. You don't suddenly stop being a top player because you haven't played well over the last 2-3 weeks.
Well, an off-day is an off-day. A month of underwhelming play is a slump, and to me when someone's slumping it means that they're not currently a top-level player. Life hasn't really impressed me much since he beat Flash at MLG a while ago. He got eliminated in the Ro16 of Code S, dropped 2 Bo3s to foreigners at DH Summer, and also got pretty convincingly beaten by Ryung recently in the GSTL. He hasn't been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been performing up to his reputation.
yeah. Life's gameplay has been pretty bad lately. I think last season his games were still good. But his ZvT style is really questionable right now and his ZvZ has never been overly strong. I guess his ZvP is still solid, but not topnotch either...
It's because Life's aggressive style gets perfectly countered by the terran's new tools.
I dont think that's the coreproblem. I rather think that his main problem is that he doesn't have good enough training partners and therefore underestimates his opponents. And he is aweful at cleaning up minefields. Like, each of his games there is some random minefield in which he runs units knowingly or unknowingly, instead of just investing into 2-3overseers all over the map.
If his training partners right now hold him back, how the hell did he beat everyone in 2012 and how the hell did he win both MLGs?
because ST's Protoss lineup left the team and Bomber is kinda slumping, I'd say.
I mean, when he was on ZeNEX.
He barely did anything on ZeNEX except being good in teamleagues. It was once he joined startale he started to play really well
On June 25 2013 19:17 packrat386 wrote: Jangbi vs Fantasy Map is Newkirk Redevelopment Precinct
Jangbi is at the bot left Fantasy is at the bot right
0:00 DT'S !!! jklol, nothing yet ... also lag
pylon in the main for jangbi supply depot for fantasy
1:00 rax in the main for fantasy gas before cc gate and gas for jangbi
2:00 2nd pylon in the main for jangbi scv is scouting now 2nd gas in the main of jangbi
3:00 reapers, yay 2nd CC on the low ground for fantasy nexus for jangbi
4:00 reaper in the main now of jangbi nothing dies MSC is out and chases it away
5:00 reaper is delaying the tech a bit factory is on the way for fantasy forge is finishing up as well as WG quick robo on the way
6:00 reaper gets in and sees everything 6 rines moving out hellions being made as well as medivacs for fantasy obs on the way as well as stalkers
7:00 mine and marines coming into the bas they force out the nexus cannon 2 more gates in the main of jangbi marine mine drop on the way scouted by hallu oracle
8:00 the medivac is killed by the stalkers hellions run in and kill a lot of probes at the nat
On June 25 2013 19:00 HolyArrow wrote: In light of Life losing to Sjow, that was pretty unsurprising. Wouldn't be unexpected for Life to go out in last place this group. Not that Sjow is bad, but you probably shouldn't be dropping Bo3s to foreigners if you want to be considered a top-level player.
Come on, all players have off days. You don't suddenly stop being a top player because you haven't played well over the last 2-3 weeks.
Well, an off-day is an off-day. A month of underwhelming play is a slump, and to me when someone's slumping it means that they're not currently a top-level player. Life hasn't really impressed me much since he beat Flash at MLG a while ago. He got eliminated in the Ro16 of Code S, dropped 2 Bo3s to foreigners at DH Summer, and also got pretty convincingly beaten by Ryung recently in the GSTL. He hasn't been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been performing up to his reputation.
yeah. Life's gameplay has been pretty bad lately. I think last season his games were still good. But his ZvT style is really questionable right now and his ZvZ has never been overly strong. I guess his ZvP is still solid, but not topnotch either...
It's because Life's aggressive style gets perfectly countered by the terran's new tools.
I dont think that's the coreproblem. I rather think that his main problem is that he doesn't have good enough training partners and therefore underestimates his opponents. And he is aweful at cleaning up minefields. Like, each of his games there is some random minefield in which he runs units knowingly or unknowingly, instead of just investing into 2-3overseers all over the map.
If his training partners right now hold him back, how the hell did he beat everyone in 2012 and how the hell did he win MLG?
because in 2012 and early 2013 Startale was one of the best SC2 teams. These days it's not anymore. In the face of Kespa Teams it's probably not even mediocre at this point in time.
Startale is still pretty good I think you're being a bit hard on them
He is. They just fill Woongjin's shoes in GSTL. Choke after a lead.
The whole KeSPA vs. eSF argument and why Life is doing badly is stupid.
Fucking Symbol is the most consistent player in Korean tournaments the past year and he's on a team run by money launderers. Before that, he was on a team with a coach that spied on his players and "hacked" their Skype accounts.
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