EPT[Up/Down] Group F WCS KR 2013 Season 2 - Page 12
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On June 04 2013 19:59 Scarecrow wrote: You generally have to stay 2 base vs gateway expands, at least initially. Better to use that time to tech and get useful units that force the protoss to react rather than spines (don't really cover the third well) and lings (pretty useless on this map due to easy toss third) which soak up larvae (which you're low on). It was basically a build designed to get 4 base + hive tech and beat a toss 3 base timing which is the standard play for this map. The thing is he could have easily held that push with only Swarm Hosts and some Vipers, he didn't need to rush to Broodlords so fast, that left him vulnerable and the Broodlords didn't do much, because they had too little ground support. More Swarm Hosts, 2-3 Infestors, and 2-3 Vipers would have made him safe, then he could get Broodlords later. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On June 04 2013 20:08 Zealot Lord wrote: Have to agree with this, rushing to swarm hosts to use as a defensive unit from the start doesn't really make much sense. It would be different if he already had a 3 base economy, but a zerg that is playing defensive on 2 bases is not one that is going to win very often. Yet he almost won, he feigned a 2 base heavy SH push which forced Yonghwa to turtle and tech. Got the bare minimum SH's for defence and spent the rest on tech, taking a quick 4th and droning. Seeing as he was seconds away from holding and winning, I'd say it was a decent play. On June 04 2013 20:12 sitromit wrote: The thing is he could have easily held that push with only Swarm Hosts and some Vipers, he didn't need to rush to Broodlords so fast, that left him vulnerable and the Broodlords didn't do much, because they had too little ground support. More Swarm Hosts, 2-3 Infestors, and 2-3 Vipers would have made him safe, then he could get Broodlords later. I'm not defending the Broodlord choice, I agree Vipers and more SH's/ground support would've been stronger. Still the 5 SH into fast 4th + hive wasn't terrible and put him in a decent position. | ||
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xHQx
Russian Federation601 Posts
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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artrea
Latvia3560 Posts
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Keen vs sC? Yes (6) No (2) Meh (0) 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Keen vs sC? | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
sC > YongHwa Avenge > KeeN Check your math on Crazy, Khaldor. KeeN 3-1 YongHwa, Avenge, Crazy 2-2 sC 1-3 Nevermind, YongHwa > Avenge and Crazy already. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
Ugh.... sC broke my heart... | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On June 04 2013 20:18 sitromit wrote: Doesn't Yonghwa advance if Crazy wins this? yes. AVENGE GOOOO On June 04 2013 20:18 Scarecrow wrote: I wish there was some incentive for people who are knocked out beyond pride/revenge. well, in that position i wouldn't give a fuck myself. i'd play it like a ladder game, but i would love to lose and see the guys that made me unable to advance venture the same path as me... the path to code a. | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On June 04 2013 20:18 sitromit wrote: Doesn't Yonghwa advance if Crazy wins this? Yes. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On June 04 2013 20:18 Scarecrow wrote: I wish there was some incentive for people who are knocked out beyond pride/revenge. Pride is a pretty big incentive though. I mean how well you do can determine whether you get played in proleague/GSTL and can help you pad your resume if you for some reason change teams. | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
On June 04 2013 20:13 Scarecrow wrote: Yet he almost won, he feigned a 2 base heavy SH push which forced Yonghwa to turtle and tech. Got the bare minimum SH's for defence and spent the rest on tech, taking a quick 4th and droning. Seeing as he was seconds away from holding and winning, I'd say it was a decent play. Fair enough, but I'd say that was Yonghwa messing up which made it closer than it had to be imo - if he got a 2nd robo instead of the useless DT shrine (poor decision given that 1# swarmhost rush means theres lair tech already and 2# every swarmhost player gets overseers to kill observers) and 4 wasted DT's, he could have definitely pushed and ended it earlier. | ||
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