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On June 03 2013 05:59 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 05:57 Obsidian wrote:On June 03 2013 05:54 packrat386 wrote:
colossi > chargelots >>> tanks. Seriously though, the only tank build that was ever viable in TvP was the 1-1-1 and that was 100% designed to hit before things like colossus come out. All the games went long enough that there's no way he couldn't have built a second factory with tech for tanks. Hero went blink-stalkers every game, and I'm not talking about tank-heavy, but a few would most certainly have not been amiss, especially considering how defensive Ryung was playing. wait let me get my einstein hair so we can discuss tanks vs protoss
I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing.
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Olli
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On June 03 2013 06:00 ninjamyst wrote:
I hope Revival wins so we get to see more PvZ. And HerO's PvZ is stronger than his PvT right?
Currently I'd rate it above his PvT yeah. He's still struggling vs terran a little while he's been figuring out PvZ more and more.
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Ooh this is a good chance to make some food.
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On June 03 2013 06:01 Wildmoon wrote:
It would be pretty cool if TL has WCS point chart at the side of screen.:D
I'm doing a write-up on the WCS Point system right now. Hopefully it'll be out in a day or two; it should make the system a little easier to grasp.
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Olli
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On June 03 2013 06:02 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 05:59 IshinShishi wrote:On June 03 2013 05:57 Obsidian wrote:On June 03 2013 05:54 packrat386 wrote:
colossi > chargelots >>> tanks. Seriously though, the only tank build that was ever viable in TvP was the 1-1-1 and that was 100% designed to hit before things like colossus come out. All the games went long enough that there's no way he couldn't have built a second factory with tech for tanks. Hero went blink-stalkers every game, and I'm not talking about tank-heavy, but a few would most certainly have not been amiss, especially considering how defensive Ryung was playing. wait let me get my einstein hair so we can discuss tanks vs protoss I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing.
I'm just gonna say this, don't stone me.
The reason why people started to abandon the 2 base colossus all in, aka. the Squirtle timing, was because terrans started mixing in a couple tanks to be safe against it.
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On June 03 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:01 Wildmoon wrote:
It would be pretty cool if TL has WCS point chart at the side of screen.:D I'm doing a write-up on the WCS Point system right now. Hopefully it'll be out in a day or two; it should make the system a little easier to grasp.
Thank you! :D
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On June 03 2013 06:02 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 05:59 IshinShishi wrote:On June 03 2013 05:57 Obsidian wrote:On June 03 2013 05:54 packrat386 wrote:
colossi > chargelots >>> tanks. Seriously though, the only tank build that was ever viable in TvP was the 1-1-1 and that was 100% designed to hit before things like colossus come out. All the games went long enough that there's no way he couldn't have built a second factory with tech for tanks. Hero went blink-stalkers every game, and I'm not talking about tank-heavy, but a few would most certainly have not been amiss, especially considering how defensive Ryung was playing. wait let me get my einstein hair so we can discuss tanks vs protoss I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing.
Mass Medivacs is the way to go then. Can't be targetted by chargelots OR colossi, problem solved!
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On June 03 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:01 Wildmoon wrote:
It would be pretty cool if TL has WCS point chart at the side of screen.:D I'm doing a write-up on the WCS Point system right now. Hopefully it'll be out in a day or two; it should make the system a little easier to grasp.
I haven't seen you around much until like yesterday, but you're awesome and thanks.
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On June 03 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:02 packrat386 wrote:On June 03 2013 05:59 IshinShishi wrote:On June 03 2013 05:57 Obsidian wrote:On June 03 2013 05:54 packrat386 wrote:
colossi > chargelots >>> tanks. Seriously though, the only tank build that was ever viable in TvP was the 1-1-1 and that was 100% designed to hit before things like colossus come out. All the games went long enough that there's no way he couldn't have built a second factory with tech for tanks. Hero went blink-stalkers every game, and I'm not talking about tank-heavy, but a few would most certainly have not been amiss, especially considering how defensive Ryung was playing. wait let me get my einstein hair so we can discuss tanks vs protoss I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing. Mass Medivacs is the way to go then. Can't be targetted by chargelots OR colossi, problem solved!
well I mean according to my blizzard issued counter sheet, you should be building only banshees against this composition.
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On June 03 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:02 packrat386 wrote:On June 03 2013 05:59 IshinShishi wrote:On June 03 2013 05:57 Obsidian wrote:On June 03 2013 05:54 packrat386 wrote:
colossi > chargelots >>> tanks. Seriously though, the only tank build that was ever viable in TvP was the 1-1-1 and that was 100% designed to hit before things like colossus come out. All the games went long enough that there's no way he couldn't have built a second factory with tech for tanks. Hero went blink-stalkers every game, and I'm not talking about tank-heavy, but a few would most certainly have not been amiss, especially considering how defensive Ryung was playing. wait let me get my einstein hair so we can discuss tanks vs protoss I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing. Mass Medivacs is the way to go then. Can't be targetted by chargelots OR colossi, problem solved!
Go mass bombervacs #legitstrat
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On June 03 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:02 packrat386 wrote:On June 03 2013 05:59 IshinShishi wrote:On June 03 2013 05:57 Obsidian wrote:On June 03 2013 05:54 packrat386 wrote:
colossi > chargelots >>> tanks. Seriously though, the only tank build that was ever viable in TvP was the 1-1-1 and that was 100% designed to hit before things like colossus come out. All the games went long enough that there's no way he couldn't have built a second factory with tech for tanks. Hero went blink-stalkers every game, and I'm not talking about tank-heavy, but a few would most certainly have not been amiss, especially considering how defensive Ryung was playing. wait let me get my einstein hair so we can discuss tanks vs protoss I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing. Mass Medivacs is the way to go then. Can't be targetted by chargelots OR colossi, problem solved!
Somewhere, a blizzard employee is reading your post and thinking : hey that's pretty cool, we should give medivacs a shooting attack !
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On June 03 2013 06:02 packrat386 wrote:
I mean maybe this works at the like high masters low GM level before pro. But I have yet to see a successful tank build vs protoss and I have watched a LOT of fucking SC2. The problem is that colossi are pretty effective, chargelots can chew through them and if you try to block with your army you just lose that instead, and if you really commit then they'll just make a few immortals and then you're really fucked. I just don't see it ever working unless its like a surprisey timing attack kind of thing.
Well... I've seen lots of successful mech play vs protoss over in the EU league, but I'm not talking about Mech play in anycase. I'm talking about a few defensive tanks, especially when he's being pressed to his Nat/3rd so often. Tanks can obviously heavily punish the comp that we saw Hero use. YES we can all start talking about X counters Y counters Z, but Hero's Colossi/Stalker/Sentinel comp is not strong vs tanks, not without diving, and a good bio-ball would tear them up in that case.
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I always always always forget Alive now plays of EG (and has done for a while now >.<). Every time I see him wearing that EG T-shirt it completely throws me.
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Mass bombervacs would be sick actually. Hard as shit to pull off micro-wise and it'd never fly in the early game, but with unlimited resources and infinite APM it'd be killer
I should build a BomberBot to play for me. Bomber's macro, slightly higher APM and no choking. I'd win GSLs with that strat
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You linked me the page that has nothing in it.
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Olli
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aLive just invites pity. He's like a sad little pug puppy.
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On June 03 2013 06:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
EGTL finals confirmed!
what an upset
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2013 StarCraft II World Championship Series/Standings
