On May 29 2013 09:20 Qikz wrote: I wouldn't use game 2 as a game to say mech doesn't work, if you actually watch that game back you'll see theognis' positioning was very questionable and in some instances he had his army either too split or too clumped which allowed state to engage in the perfect places to either not take maximum damage or pick it off from one side (zerg can do this too).
He was trading really well against the heavy robo comp, but where he had so many bad engagements he eventually got ran over.
The thing is, State wasn't playing that well either. What you essentially said is that if Theognis had been playing far better than he can, against already quite a low-tier opponent, he could have won with mech :D
Flash can probably beat State with Reaper-Viking, that doesn't make that composition a viable way to play TvP :/
It may not be fully viable, but if people can show that it can sort of work at the pro level maybe work nearly to the state of being viable if we're going to use that word against Toss, maybe Blizzard will buff it. If people just ignore it completely and say it's not possible, Blizzard will look and say that needs too much work.
Theognis wasn't playing the best he could have and he certainly could have played better that game.
On May 29 2013 09:33 teddyoojo wrote: time for demuslim to get owned
hmm.. xy and demuslim dont really have many tvt's in hots yet. Agilugac says 60 demu/40 XY but both didnt have topterrans in there results tho.
Demuslim looked pretty shaky in his first round match against Maker but he said he didnt sleep the night before and was really nervous. Hopefully he has that all under control this time. As for XY, the only TvT I've seen from him was in the qualifiers versus Center, where he held his own for a while but couldn't keep up. If Demuslim plays like he did in round 1 he'll lose. If he plays like he does on stream it should be a really good match.
If DeMuslim can play up to his normal level he should be fine against XY. That's just the problem though . . . last time he played WCS he almost lost to Maker, a guy who he is like 25-0 against on ladder. Pretty sure he's the HerO of foreigners when it comes to nerves. I hope he can overcome!
On May 29 2013 09:20 Bagi wrote: Really sucks to watch games like that because it's obvious that mech has the potential to be viable if Blizzard only wanted it to be.
Instead the meta is doomed to be "maek marine" and run them in circles. TvP was one of the most boring match-ups in WOL and the only thing that changed is that you have the MSC and occasionally some hellbats to tank. It's getting old.
Well, from a Protoss perspective, HotS added more all-ins, and made the thing that causes us to play so passively (medivacs) even better at doing so. I doubt it's going to change.
I agree and its quite baffling to me how far they went with their buffs to bio.
But I would imagine even protoss players agree I think mech could make the match-up way more interesting. Protoss could actually play the aggressive part with blink and warp prisms. Even skytoss is a viable way to play against mech. The whole mech TvP meta is nearly unexplored because Blizzard disencourages it by refusing to give the siege tank its long overdue buff.
Hey, I really like playing against mech, it's like the only time as a Protoss in sc2 where you can actually spread your army around the map and not have it all get owned piecemeal. And you actually get to expand aggressively and harass, tons of fun. I am totally in favor of a Tank buff, although with free Siege, I think it could introduce some very nasty bio/tank all-ins. That 2 base bio/tank push Mvp does in TvP looks quite strong with current tanks.