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Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
May 29 2013 00:18 GMT
#101
On May 29 2013 09:16 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 09:15 Toadvine wrote:
Hm, so the Archon is the one Protoss ground unit that's actually good against Hellbats. Useful thing to know.

It's not like you don't make archons anyway.


Well, personally I rarely get Archons specifically, mostly just recycle energy-less Templar. Seems like just making them straight up is a good choice against mech.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
May 29 2013 00:20 GMT
#102
I wouldn't use game 2 as a game to say mech doesn't work, if you actually watch that game back you'll see theognis' positioning was very questionable and in some instances he had his army either too split or too clumped which allowed state to engage in the perfect places to either not take maximum damage or pick it off from one side (zerg can do this too).

He was trading really well against the heavy robo comp, but where he had so many bad engagements he eventually got ran over.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 29 2013 00:20 GMT
#103
Really sucks to watch games like that because it's obvious that mech has the potential to be viable if Blizzard only wanted it to be.

Instead the meta is doomed to be "maek marine" and run them in circles. TvP was one of the most boring match-ups in WOL and the only thing that changed is that you have the MSC and occasionally some hellbats to tank. It's getting old.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
May 29 2013 00:21 GMT
#104
A few small changes will fix the mech, and those changes won't affect other matchups. Really hope Blizzard is watching, though it's unlikely.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 29 2013 00:23 GMT
#105
On May 29 2013 09:18 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 09:16 ZenithM wrote:
On May 29 2013 09:15 Toadvine wrote:
Hm, so the Archon is the one Protoss ground unit that's actually good against Hellbats. Useful thing to know.

It's not like you don't make archons anyway.


Well, personally I rarely get Archons specifically, mostly just recycle energy-less Templar. Seems like just making them straight up is a good choice against mech.

Oh yeah, I see what you mean, you're right.

I still don't get why people go mech in TvP. The good units in Theognis composition are hellbats, vikings and ghosts, which you make in bio TvP anyway. Tanks on the other hand suck ass. The only reason you would make them is to hold positions and stuff, but they don't even do that, Protoss has enough muscle to crush a sieged army cost efficiently.

Bio. Still the way to go. :D
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
May 29 2013 00:24 GMT
#106

Glad Major won, too bad he will play Violet next, he probably has no chance there.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Apoptotic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States137 Posts
May 29 2013 00:25 GMT
#107
State fighting!
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 00:26:45
May 29 2013 00:26 GMT
#108
On May 29 2013 09:23 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 09:18 Toadvine wrote:
On May 29 2013 09:16 ZenithM wrote:
On May 29 2013 09:15 Toadvine wrote:
Hm, so the Archon is the one Protoss ground unit that's actually good against Hellbats. Useful thing to know.

It's not like you don't make archons anyway.


Well, personally I rarely get Archons specifically, mostly just recycle energy-less Templar. Seems like just making them straight up is a good choice against mech.

Oh yeah, I see what you mean, you're right.

I still don't get why people go mech in TvP. The good units in Theognis composition are hellbats, vikings and ghosts, which you make in bio TvP anyway. Tanks on the other hand suck ass. The only reason you would make them is to hold positions and stuff, but they don't even do that, Protoss has enough muscle to crush a sieged army cost efficiently.

Bio. Still the way to go. :D

It is very good as timing attacks or if the 3rd isn't so defensive. If you can get into an econ lead and just keep trading hellbats for toss gas(since zlots get raped if archons/storms dont massacre the hellbats), they eventually break.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 29 2013 00:27 GMT
#109
On May 29 2013 09:20 Qikz wrote:
I wouldn't use game 2 as a game to say mech doesn't work, if you actually watch that game back you'll see theognis' positioning was very questionable and in some instances he had his army either too split or too clumped which allowed state to engage in the perfect places to either not take maximum damage or pick it off from one side (zerg can do this too).

He was trading really well against the heavy robo comp, but where he had so many bad engagements he eventually got ran over.

The thing is, State wasn't playing that well either. What you essentially said is that if Theognis had been playing far better than he can, against already quite a low-tier opponent, he could have won with mech :D

Flash can probably beat State with Reaper-Viking, that doesn't make that composition a viable way to play TvP :/
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
May 29 2013 00:27 GMT
#110
On May 29 2013 09:20 Bagi wrote:
Really sucks to watch games like that because it's obvious that mech has the potential to be viable if Blizzard only wanted it to be.

Instead the meta is doomed to be "maek marine" and run them in circles. TvP was one of the most boring match-ups in WOL and the only thing that changed is that you have the MSC and occasionally some hellbats to tank. It's getting old.


Well, from a Protoss perspective, HotS added more all-ins, and made the thing that causes us to play so passively (medivacs) even better at doing so. I doubt it's going to change.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 29 2013 00:29 GMT
#111
Poll: Recommend State vs Theognis Game 3?

No (5)
 
83%

If you have time (1)
 
17%

Yes (0)
 
0%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend State vs Theognis Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Zerg for Life
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 29 2013 00:30 GMT
#112
Damn
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 29 2013 00:30 GMT
#113
That's what I'm talking about. None of that tank shenaniganery :D
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 29 2013 00:33 GMT
#114
time for demuslim to get owned
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
May 29 2013 00:33 GMT
#115
Challenger league is still real time/live cast right? I just tuned in for my first CL match for WCS NA
JD, need I say more? :D
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 00:34:34
May 29 2013 00:34 GMT
#116
On May 29 2013 09:27 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 09:20 Bagi wrote:
Really sucks to watch games like that because it's obvious that mech has the potential to be viable if Blizzard only wanted it to be.

Instead the meta is doomed to be "maek marine" and run them in circles. TvP was one of the most boring match-ups in WOL and the only thing that changed is that you have the MSC and occasionally some hellbats to tank. It's getting old.


Well, from a Protoss perspective, HotS added more all-ins, and made the thing that causes us to play so passively (medivacs) even better at doing so. I doubt it's going to change.

I agree and its quite baffling to me how far they went with their buffs to bio.

But I would imagine even protoss players agree I think mech could make the match-up way more interesting. Protoss could actually play the aggressive part with blink and warp prisms. Even skytoss is a viable way to play against mech. The whole mech TvP meta is nearly unexplored because Blizzard disencourages it by refusing to give the siege tank its long overdue buff.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 00:34:31
May 29 2013 00:34 GMT
#117
On May 29 2013 09:33 LimeNade wrote:
Challenger league is still real time/live cast right? I just tuned in for my first CL match for WCS NA

Yes. It's live but the games are played online rather than at the studio.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
May 29 2013 00:34 GMT
#118
never thought one could make it happen but i am finally annoyed of this NYC stuff >.<
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 29 2013 00:35 GMT
#119
On May 29 2013 09:33 teddyoojo wrote:
time for demuslim to get owned


hmm.. xy and demuslim dont really have many tvt's in hots yet. Agilugac says 60 demu/40 XY but both didnt have topterrans in there results tho.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 29 2013 00:35 GMT
#120
yay Theognis!

Gogo Demuslim.
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