• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:44
CET 02:44
KST 10:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice0Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza Terran AddOns placement How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
It's March 3rd CasterMuse Youtube Recent recommended BW games Soma Explains: JD's Unrelenting Aggro vs FlaSh TvZ is the most complete match up
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues BWCL Season 64 Announcement The Casual Games of the Week Thread [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Online Quake Live Config Editor Tool Diablo 2 thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Just Watchers: Why Some Only…
TrAiDoS
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2353 users

[SPL] Team 8 vs. EG-TL R5 - Page 19

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 Next All
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 27 2013 08:24 GMT
#361
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


Top tier like mouz for example?

You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.


They barely count as European :p

And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 27 2013 08:25 GMT
#362
Welp, T8 keeping the dream alive I guess
jjakji fan
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 27 2013 08:25 GMT
#363
On May 27 2013 17:24 HotGlueGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


You can't be serious. Top Europeans can definitely beat low tier koreans like Tails/Shuttle/NSHoseo but there's not a chance in hell they could win 12 matches in proleague.


Hahaha poor NSH fans >.<
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 27 2013 08:26 GMT
#364
Oh my god... For once I liquibet on EG-TL xD

Srsly how many points will TY cost next round? He's on a roll.
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
May 27 2013 08:26 GMT
#365
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 27 2013 08:26 GMT
#366
On May 27 2013 17:24 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


Top tier like mouz for example?

You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.


They barely count as European :p

And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?


Taeja actually demolished everything when he had wrists

Taeja all killed Root, HerO all killed mouz. All very recently.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
May 27 2013 08:27 GMT
#367
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?


Because melee units


Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.

I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:28:54
May 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#368
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS

On May 27 2013 17:27 ladyumbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?


Because melee units


Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.

I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?


Hellbats are good I heard.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#369
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.

I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.


Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#370
On May 27 2013 17:24 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


Top tier like mouz for example?

You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.


They barely count as European :p

And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?

I agree (I quoted the wrong comment). But the same is true for EGTL concerning Koreans.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#371
On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.

I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.


Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D


EGTL had 2 players in the round of 4.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
May 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#372
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS


No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:42:26
May 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#373
woooo yeah !!!
salt their wound BaBy !!!
-Terran-
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
May 27 2013 08:30 GMT
#374
TY just killed it. Unfortunate loss for EG-TL.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 27 2013 08:30 GMT
#375
On May 27 2013 17:27 ladyumbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?


Because melee units


Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.

I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?


Yes it is, especially with medivacs
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:31:13
May 27 2013 08:30 GMT
#376
On May 27 2013 17:29 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS


No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.


Also great since you can storm your own probes. It just doesn't work. If it did, pros would do it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 27 2013 08:31 GMT
#377
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.

Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire.
A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly.
Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.

In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:33:08
May 27 2013 08:31 GMT
#378
Oh and SCVs have 5 more HP. Oh and they also block zealots.
Probes die faster, don't block your opponent's units (because no melee units for terran), instead block your own units.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 27 2013 08:32 GMT
#379
On May 27 2013 17:29 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS


No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.

Probes die too fast against stimmed bio
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 27 2013 08:32 GMT
#380
On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.

I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.


Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D

I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D
But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty?
Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
LiuLi Cup Grand Finals Group C
CranKy Ducklings128
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 155
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 10145
Sea 4101
GuemChi 1057
Artosis 576
Shuttle 286
Dota 2
monkeys_forever380
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1696
taco 791
minikerr8
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe188
Other Games
summit1g11370
shahzam408
C9.Mang0345
JimRising 313
Maynarde165
Sick67
Mew2King31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1094
Counter-Strike
PGL92
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 433
• Berry_CruncH158
• Mapu1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3510
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
23h 16m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Ultimate Battle
3 days
Light vs ZerO
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-02
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.