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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 27 2013 08:24 GMT
#361
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote:
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On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


Top tier like mouz for example?

You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.


They barely count as European :p

And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 27 2013 08:25 GMT
#362
Welp, T8 keeping the dream alive I guess
jjakji fan
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 27 2013 08:25 GMT
#363
On May 27 2013 17:24 HotGlueGun wrote:
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On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


You can't be serious. Top Europeans can definitely beat low tier koreans like Tails/Shuttle/NSHoseo but there's not a chance in hell they could win 12 matches in proleague.


Hahaha poor NSH fans >.<
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 27 2013 08:26 GMT
#364
Oh my god... For once I liquibet on EG-TL xD

Srsly how many points will TY cost next round? He's on a roll.
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
May 27 2013 08:26 GMT
#365
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
May 27 2013 08:26 GMT
#366
On May 27 2013 17:24 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


Top tier like mouz for example?

You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.


They barely count as European :p

And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?


Taeja actually demolished everything when he had wrists

Taeja all killed Root, HerO all killed mouz. All very recently.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
May 27 2013 08:27 GMT
#367
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?


Because melee units


Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.

I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:28:54
May 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#368
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS

On May 27 2013 17:27 ladyumbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?


Because melee units


Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.

I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?


Hellbats are good I heard.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#369
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:
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On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.

I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.


Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
May 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#370
On May 27 2013 17:24 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.


Top tier like mouz for example?

You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.


They barely count as European :p

And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?

I agree (I quoted the wrong comment). But the same is true for EGTL concerning Koreans.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
May 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#371
On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.

I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.


Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D


EGTL had 2 players in the round of 4.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
May 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#372
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS


No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:42:26
May 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#373
woooo yeah !!!
salt their wound BaBy !!!
-Terran-
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
May 27 2013 08:30 GMT
#374
TY just killed it. Unfortunate loss for EG-TL.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 27 2013 08:30 GMT
#375
On May 27 2013 17:27 ladyumbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?


Because melee units


Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.

I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?


Yes it is, especially with medivacs
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:31:13
May 27 2013 08:30 GMT
#376
On May 27 2013 17:29 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS


No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.


Also great since you can storm your own probes. It just doesn't work. If it did, pros would do it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 27 2013 08:31 GMT
#377
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.

Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire.
A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly.
Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.

In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 08:33:08
May 27 2013 08:31 GMT
#378
Oh and SCVs have 5 more HP. Oh and they also block zealots.
Probes die faster, don't block your opponent's units (because no melee units for terran), instead block your own units.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
May 27 2013 08:32 GMT
#379
On May 27 2013 17:29 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote:
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?

Because MUUUULLLEEES :D


I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.

And it was answered already.


Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.


Lol
So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly?
It actually lowers your DPS


No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.

Probes die too fast against stimmed bio
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 27 2013 08:32 GMT
#380
On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.

I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.


Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D

I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D
But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty?
Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
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