They barely count as European :p
And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. Top tier like mouz for example? You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance. They barely count as European :p And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists? | ||
slowbacontron
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:24 HotGlueGun wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. You can't be serious. Top Europeans can definitely beat low tier koreans like Tails/Shuttle/NSHoseo but there's not a chance in hell they could win 12 matches in proleague. Hahaha poor NSH fans >.< | ||
Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
Srsly how many points will TY cost next round? He's on a roll. | ||
Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because MUUUULLLEEES :D I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage. And it was answered already. Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:24 lichter wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote: On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. Top tier like mouz for example? You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance. They barely count as European :p And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists? Taeja actually demolished everything when he had wrists Taeja all killed Root, HerO all killed mouz. All very recently. | ||
ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because melee units Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel. I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games? | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because MUUUULLLEEES :D I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage. And it was answered already. Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster. Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS On May 27 2013 17:27 ladyumbra wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because melee units Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel. I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games? Hellbats are good I heard. | ||
Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams. Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D | ||
Penev
28440 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:24 lichter wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:22 Penev wrote: On May 27 2013 17:21 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. Top tier like mouz for example? You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance. They barely count as European :p And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists? I agree (I quoted the wrong comment). But the same is true for EGTL concerning Koreans. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote: On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams. Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D EGTL had 2 players in the round of 4. | ||
Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because MUUUULLLEEES :D I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage. And it was answered already. Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster. Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units. | ||
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Indonesia4317 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:27 ladyumbra wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because melee units Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel. I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games? Yes it is, especially with medivacs | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:29 Shantastic wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because MUUUULLLEEES :D I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage. And it was answered already. Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster. Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units. Also great since you can storm your own probes. It just doesn't work. If it did, pros would do it. | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because MUUUULLLEEES :D I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage. And it was answered already. Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster. Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway. In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
Probes die faster, don't block your opponent's units (because no melee units for terran), instead block your own units. | ||
Penev
28440 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:29 Shantastic wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:28 DarkLordOlli wrote: On May 27 2013 17:26 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote: On May 27 2013 17:22 Shantastic wrote: On May 27 2013 17:19 slowbacontron wrote: On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective? Because MUUUULLLEEES :D I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage. And it was answered already. Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster. Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units. Probes die too fast against stimmed bio | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote: On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams. Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that. | ||
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