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On May 27 2013 17:41 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 17:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On May 27 2013 17:32 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams. Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that. Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans. Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong. But what teams are you even thinking of? Karonte with only 2 really good players wouldn't even be able to finish off a Proleague match. Mill has ForGG and a rising Dayshi, but aside from ForGG I don't think anyone there has even shown the ability to win an adequate percent of the time against Koreans. Similar for mouz.
MilK next proleague champion.
You heard it here first.
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On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Well he did try.
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On May 27 2013 18:01 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 17:41 slowbacontron wrote:On May 27 2013 17:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On May 27 2013 17:32 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:28 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On May 27 2013 17:24 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time. I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams. Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that. Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans. Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong. But what teams are you even thinking of? Karonte with only 2 really good players wouldn't even be able to finish off a Proleague match. Mill has ForGG and a rising Dayshi, but aside from ForGG I don't think anyone there has even shown the ability to win an adequate percent of the time against Koreans. Similar for mouz. MilK next proleague champion. You heard it here first.
So I was right about mouz!
Also, team MilK, the favorite team of every mother.
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On May 27 2013 18:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt. Well he did try.
Again, performance =/= ability.
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On May 27 2013 18:06 Shantastic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 18:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt. Well he did try. Again, performance =/= ability.
Yeah I can agree with that. He actually performed really well in Code S but Innovation is something else. His Code A match was disappointing though.
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On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra.
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On May 27 2013 18:07 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt. Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra.
Can EG-TL players beat "code S" Koreans consistenly though?
:D
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On May 27 2013 18:11 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 18:07 Penev wrote:On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt. Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra. Can EG-TL players beat "code S" Koreans consistenly though? :D
HerO? Yeah. Taeja? Yeah. Jaedong? Not sure but he'll get there. This is a team with potential, not necessarily a power punch team right now. But it's not surprising, these guys haven't been in a team house for that long. Practice pays off over time, not instantly.
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On May 27 2013 18:11 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 18:07 Penev wrote:On May 27 2013 17:57 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:53 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2013 17:50 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:On May 27 2013 17:40 Shantastic wrote:On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote:
Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues. what are you saying ;o mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16. wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there. Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL. I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A. I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread. I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt. Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra. Can EG-TL players beat "code S" Koreans consistenly though? :D
Both Hero and Taeja have proved just that. But that's not the point. Do you really think that a team like Empire would do better in Proleague than EGTL? :-S
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Scoring:
T8 +4
EG-TL -1
Speed +3
Revival +2
BaBy +8
all other T8 players +1
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No, I don't think there's any foreign team that could do better than EGTL right now.
BUT I wouldn't describe EGTL's performance as "consistent" in any case anyway, which was my point.
So yeah maybe a 2-3 team fusion could do a better job with better planning/investment or something..
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Yay BaBy! 14-5 in May, starting to show us what he's capable of doing in SC2 
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On May 27 2013 18:27 Epamynondas wrote:
No, I don't think there's any foreign team that could do better than EGTL right now.
BUT I wouldn't describe EGTL's performance as "consistent" in any case anyway, which was my point.
So yeah maybe a 2-3 team fusion could do a better job with better planning/investment or something..
Yeah, I just noticed you weren't being too serious with your comment. Sorry, I'm having a bit of a rough morning.
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It looks like the best way to go against ty is to go stargate since his play is so drop oriented...
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jesus christ. baby this is what is expected from you so long time ago, yes, gogo dominate sc2^_^
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Totally expected this. I even considered trading Flash for TY.
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Ok Ty strikes again, yet i dont know who this guy is. From kespa?
Anyway, he wins alot but do he play good, can someone enlighten me seems to me he really rapes things lately he even beat big names from time to time anywayplease enlighten me
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Wow this TY guy, glad I got him on my FPL, really tearing things up oO
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Ty really starting to tear shit up
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
TY = BaBy
He was considered a prodigy when he joined WeMade FOX when he was 12. He was always solid, but a lot of people think that he never lived up to his potential. He is still a very good terran with excellent mechanics and multitask.
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