First xpaperclip makes one of the coolest OPs we've seen in a while, then you have to one-up him to the point where his looks straight up bad by comparison? Dang, lichter!
On May 27 2013 12:39 lichter wrote: If EGTL wins, they will move into 7th place
Tonight's match is for all the marbles. It's like a cup final. Time for EZ-TL to rise up, leave the house, walk down the street, and trade in its "Z" for a "G" once and for all!!!
On May 27 2013 12:39 lichter wrote: If EGTL wins, they will move into 7th place
Tonight's match is for all the marbles. It's like a cup final. Time for EZ-TL to rise up, leave the house, walk down the street, and trade in its "Z" for a "G" once and for all!!!
They can still realistically overtake CJ if CJ do poorly next round. Everyone was shitting on EGTL for being the new ACE, but despite the horrible differential their record isn't that bad
On May 27 2013 12:39 lichter wrote: If EGTL wins, they will move into 7th place
Tonight's match is for all the marbles. It's like a cup final. Time for EZ-TL to rise up, leave the house, walk down the street, and trade in its "Z" for a "G" once and for all!!!
They can still realistically overtake CJ if CJ do poorly next round. Everyone was shitting on EGTL for being the new ACE, but despite the horrible differential their record isn't that bad
yeah it's not liek they're 0-5000, they have a worse record than everyone else but its not trash tier
Weird, a lot of the set differentials on stream are different from those listed on liquipedia. With proleague's track record I'm assuming this means the proleague's set differentials are wrong?
On May 27 2013 15:04 Darthsanta13 wrote: Weird, a lot of the set differentials on stream are different from those listed on liquipedia. With proleague's track record I'm assuming this means the proleague's set differentials are wrong?
Hmm, we should double check the Liquipedia stats, and if it's Proleague who's wrong contact them.
I'm not a Zerg player, but now that everyone in chat is mentioning it, is the Zerg supposed to build a spine? Or at least another queen? Because it looked like Jaedong was not going to have a chance at all against those reapers with just slow lings (and a bunker at his natural).
Actually, my real question is, how can Jaedong - one of the best progamers of all time and someone who trains extremely hard for this - not know what the correct reaction should be against a 1 rax proxy reaper build?
On May 27 2013 15:18 Jacmert wrote: I'm not a Zerg player, but now that everyone in chat is mentioning it, is the Zerg supposed to build a spine? Or at least another queen? Because it looked like Jaedong was not going to have a chance at all against those reapers with just slow lings (and a bunker at his natural).
Actually, my real question is, how can Jaedong - one of the best progamers of all time and someone who trains extremely hard for this - not know what the correct reaction should be against a 1 rax proxy reaper build?
On May 27 2013 15:18 Jacmert wrote: I'm not a Zerg player, but now that everyone in chat is mentioning it, is the Zerg supposed to build a spine? Or at least another queen? Because it looked like Jaedong was not going to have a chance at all against those reapers with just slow lings (and a bunker at his natural).
Actually, my real question is, how can Jaedong - one of the best progamers of all time and someone who trains extremely hard for this - not know what the correct reaction should be against a 1 rax proxy reaper build?
Jaedong needed to build a spine to stop the bunker. If Cure doesn't have the bunker, all Jaedong needs to do is protect his main. He still mis-micro'd his lings, but it would have helped a lot.
people call it an overreaction but it's pretty common to see that many drones pulled vs an 11/11. He had no way of knowing it was a reaper instead, except for the fact that there was only 1 scv there building a bunker? idk. seems like a tough call to make.
On May 27 2013 15:20 Tachion wrote: people call it an overreaction but it's pretty common to see that many drones pulled vs an 11/11. He had no way of knowing it was a reaper instead, except for the fact that there was only 1 scv there building a bunker? idk. seems like a tough call to make.
I call it an overreaction because he didn't need to pull his drones THAT far if there was only one SCV. Cure also built the bunker in a bad spot (usually you'd place it against rocks or something) which might have been suspicious. The lack of a marine which should have been there already should also have been a clue it wasn't 11/11
On May 27 2013 15:20 Lokken_8 wrote: Why the hell did he took all those drones for that long stroll chasing SCV?
he should have microed better to buy more time. also he didn't spine/cancel micro to save drones (and he had tons of mineral), and his queens overextended many times... it just looked like he didn't care that much :[
If it's true that Revival is good in practice (probably their best Zerg, lol), I think it's right that they keep playing him despite his losing streak. Get him used to playing live. If EGTL plan to make this a long term commitment they will benefit in the long run from playing their players who are strong in practice but weak in the booth.
On May 27 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote: By the way, is the hellion<--->hellbat transformation used commonly? I haven't been paying enough attention.
Barely ever,if at all
Huh. One would think that there is at least some reason to use it. I believe the original concept of the hellbat was for the hellion to transform into a battle hellion o_O
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
If you keep investing into Medivacs and Hellbats that keep dying, you will never have a suitable army for a followup push. Revival was OK with delayed tech/army, and as long as your drone production exceeds your losses, you can easily beat that style of play.
Of course, that requires some pretty mediocre drop control like we just saw.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
On May 27 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote: By the way, is the hellion<--->hellbat transformation used commonly? I haven't been paying enough attention.
Barely ever,if at all
Huh. One would think that there is at least some reason to use it. I believe the original concept of the hellbat was for the hellion to transform into a battle hellion o_O
My internet is biting the friggin dust right now.
the upgrade is quiet expensive for that and you can build both. Not something people incorporate into their build just like zergs don't get ovi speed or burrow.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
Well there really isn't anywhere else to put the tanks that is efficient to take advantage of the "double choke" leading into that space between the natural and third. I am confused as to how Revival won that fight to be honest.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
Well there really isn't anywhere else to put the tanks that is efficient to take advantage of the "double choke" leading into that space between the natural and third. I am confused as to how Revival won that fight to be honest.
Cure's army was actually pretty small. He didn't have a lot of marines and barely any medivacs
On May 27 2013 15:36 slowbacontron wrote: By the way, is the hellion<--->hellbat transformation used commonly? I haven't been paying enough attention.
Barely ever,if at all
Huh. One would think that there is at least some reason to use it. I believe the original concept of the hellbat was for the hellion to transform into a battle hellion o_O
My internet is biting the friggin dust right now.
the upgrade is quiet expensive for that and you can build both. Not something people incorporate into their build just like zergs don't get ovi speed or burrow.
Yeah, makes enough sense. It's a shame the upgrade didn't turn out to be viable.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
Meh, game was over when Revival had nearly 20 roaches and 71 drones vs inferior army and massively inferior economy of Cure. If Cure had kept more tanks on the high ground, Revival would have had a free snipe on both the third and natural, and it would have been 4 bases to 1.5.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
losing all the medivacs for juts a few drone kills is not worth it. The drops more or less set Cure behind, because the only thing Zerg has to do is keep the Medivac count low. Which Revival did with the help of Cure. Alongside with a horrible composition against Roaches.
lotta wasteful drops mixed in with the successful ones D:
I think you could say he had a marginal lead at the end of all that, and would have secured the win if he A) Predicted such an attack and just defended at his natural ramp and took his third later, or B) microed better on defense.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
Well there really isn't anywhere else to put the tanks that is efficient to take advantage of the "double choke" leading into that space between the natural and third. I am confused as to how Revival won that fight to be honest.
Cure's army was actually pretty small. He didn't have a lot of marines and barely any medivacs
It looked like they had pretty similar supply to me. I will have to try and watch it again later.
On May 27 2013 15:40 Ketch wrote: Hmmm I don't know why Revival is ahead? What is Cure doing behind this?
he is not ahead, the composition sucks and 15minute spire + infestation pit =endless drops without being punished for it
Apparently he was ahead . When we saw this situation in MVP vs Stephano yesterday, MVP was always ahead or equal in supply. That's why I said Revival was ahead. Also he had 2/2 which was a big deal.
i don't see that he was ahead, as i said the composition sucked and having upgrades on zerglings when you have 30 roaches isn't all that great either. if cure holds this is it, but cure had too many tanks on the lowground
Well there really isn't anywhere else to put the tanks that is efficient to take advantage of the "double choke" leading into that space between the natural and third. I am confused as to how Revival won that fight to be honest.
Cure's army was actually pretty small. He didn't have a lot of marines and barely any medivacs
It looked like they had pretty similar supply to me. I will have to try and watch it again later.
Cure had no upgrades, barely any medivacs, and an inferior economy. Revival had 2/2 and 70 drones. Puny army because of the lack of upgrades and reinforcing economy. Cure basically invested in so much and was still behind, mostly because he kept losing his drops.
I think revival has done well by winning a game for egtl. This game is just a bonus lol Pretty sure him winning a game has risen the teammorale after jd lost that miserably
On May 27 2013 16:15 Tsubbi wrote: have we reached the percentage hellbat drops are used in games david kim was talking about in sotg?
It's gotten to the percentage where two hellbats will kill a hatchery against a Zerg who refused to make anti-air besides a single queen at each hatchery for 20 minutes.
They should cut to caster faces BEFORE they see the KR stream change screen. It makes the stream look much more professional not having the flash of Korean casters, and no one's going to be like "omg kr stream got to look at player face 0.5s longer than me"
I'm really not sure about sending out Oz, who has 2-5 overall record and got crushed by terrans, against TY. In fact, I think he lost on this very map to a meching Terran not too long ago.
I don`t know what goes through Coach Parks mind but what the heck? You ve got players like Hero, Taeja... Why in the world would you play someone like Revival or Oz?
On May 27 2013 16:41 styLesdavis wrote: I don`t know what goes through Coach Parks mind but what the heck? You ve got players like Hero, Taeja... Why in the world would you play someone like Revival or Oz?
Probably because they are EG and need air-time. We never know and can only speculate.
Ty <3. His play is more "messy" than Innovation's or Flash's (like, he forgets units here and there, he gets supply blocked, etc..), but I really like his style of slight overmicroing/overmultitasking :D
On May 27 2013 16:41 styLesdavis wrote: I don`t know what goes through Coach Parks mind but what the heck? You ve got players like Hero, Taeja... Why in the world would you play someone like Revival or Oz?
well hero was oversea not a while ago so maybe Park is putting in Oz in the lineup to relieve some pressure off of hero.
On May 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote: Ty <3. His play is more "messy" than Innovation's or Flash's (like, he forgets units here and there, he gets supply blocked, etc..), but I really like his style of slight overmicroing/overmultitasking :D
yeah there's a certain appeal to his scrappy style
As a protoss player, how do you deal with that? I'm thinking phoenix, because you need way more supply of stalker+zealot than bio+medivac in each of your bases, leaving your main army much weaker to a frontal attack. Or is it just better to try and hit a timing attack to prevent drops?
On May 27 2013 16:46 StaplerPhone wrote: wtf are you doing oz
Single tasking? With all the drop play Terrans are showing the defence from a lot of players against it is surprisingly bad.
As Tyler used to say, its much easier to drop than to defend versus it, because you're usually unsure of how much you need to leave behind because you don't know whether its a single medivac, two medivac or three medivac drop (each of which requires different levels of commitments). Stalkers are terrible vs bio, and zealots have a hard time getting behind mineral lines to get at the bio.
On May 27 2013 16:50 Dodgin wrote: hypothetically how much do you think EG would have to offer Mvp to leave IM
I guess It's hard to say without knowing how much he makes on IM ~_~
Mvp is too LOYAL for that! Mvp has HONOR! And also he's a German now, so maybe he'll join SK with MC.
I doubt he would ever leave, they helped him win nearly 400k + salary. I still think they should just buy Prime, they get four decent players with fan bases already.
i think if EGTL teamed with Team8, they could get a much better chance of making the playoffs, and they could benefit each other with better practice environment.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
I do want to curse you for the bomber comment but it is true. Mvp could easily be in the ro8 with the completeness he showed.
If bomber would stop breaking my heart I wouldn't say such mean things about him
When I watch Bomber and Mvp, I think Bomber should be better, but he isn't. Huh. Mvp's games yesterday weren't impressive to me but he still dominated.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
I do want to curse you for the bomber comment but it is true. Mvp could easily be in the ro8 with the completeness he showed.
If bomber would stop breaking my heart I wouldn't say such mean things about him
When I watch Bomber and Mvp, I think Bomber should be better, but he isn't. Huh. Mvp's games yesterday weren't impressive to me but he still dominated.
you don't think vs stephano games 2 and 4 were impressive? I honestly can't believe he won game 4, it looked like stephano was going to pick it up easily once his 2-2 finished but Mvp micro'd like he had wrists.
and the mech management in game 2, just great. he had like 25 tanks all spread out so only a few were next to another tank.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
I do want to curse you for the bomber comment but it is true. Mvp could easily be in the ro8 with the completeness he showed.
If bomber would stop breaking my heart I wouldn't say such mean things about him
When I watch Bomber and Mvp, I think Bomber should be better, but he isn't. Huh. Mvp's games yesterday weren't impressive to me but he still dominated.
you don't think vs stephano games 2 and 4 were impressive? I honestly can't believe he won game 4, it looked like stephano was going to pick it up easily once his 2-2 finished but Mvp micro'd like he had wrists.
and the mech management in game 2, just great. he had like 25 tanks all spread out so only a few were next to another tank.
This is Mvp's secret weapon: look unimpressive when you win, even though it was dominant. Everyone will think you are weak, then you drop the hammer on them
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
I do want to curse you for the bomber comment but it is true. Mvp could easily be in the ro8 with the completeness he showed.
If bomber would stop breaking my heart I wouldn't say such mean things about him
When I watch Bomber and Mvp, I think Bomber should be better, but he isn't. Huh. Mvp's games yesterday weren't impressive to me but he still dominated.
you don't think vs stephano games 2 and 4 were impressive? I honestly can't believe he won game 4, it looked like stephano was going to pick it up easily once his 2-2 finished but Mvp micro'd like he had wrists.
and the mech management in game 2, just great. he had like 25 tanks all spread out so only a few were next to another tank.
This is Mvp's secret weapon: look unimpressive when you win, even though it was dominant. Everyone will think you are weak, then you drop the hammer on them
The variety in his play was also impressive + his scouting (so many scans as liar/hives were morphing), it did look like he used where nothing really surprised him. Hopefully he can play that well vs some of the Korean zergs and see how he does.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
Stephano did ok in Code S. Definitely mid Code A to lower Code S. Forgg could probably still hang in Code A. Dimaga is maybe lower Code A, maybe
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
Stephano did ok in Code S. Definitely mid Code A to lower Code S. Forgg could probably still hang in Code A. Dimaga is maybe lower Code A, maybe
Didn't Stephano lose every one of his games and get immediately knocked out? I think Dima is too much upanddown to be reliably in Code A, but right now he's looking pretty good.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
MVP ran away cause he was not code s to begin with. He couldn't achieve blizzcon without premier league. It would be really hard without 3 premier league seasons.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
he " ran away " because his options were either stay in Korea, and sit out two season finals, two premier divisions and Blizzcon, or take his seed to EU and compete there. he hit a really bad rough patch at the end of WoL so he was in the worst position possible to make a comeback in Korea.
Stephano played well, don't kid yourself. Game 1 was managed better than a lot of Korean zergs could do. His games in the finals were definitely impressive and he really stepped it up, compared to the ro8 and ro4 even though he 3-0'd both opponents his play looked much better in the finals.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
Stephano did ok in Code S. Definitely mid Code A to lower Code S. Forgg could probably still hang in Code A. Dimaga is maybe lower Code A, maybe
Didn't Stephano lose every one of his games and get immediately knocked out? I think Dima is too much upanddown to be reliably in Code A, but right now he's looking pretty good.
He beat Hack, and lost to Innobestrtsplayerevervation twice.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
MVP ran away cause he was not code s to begin with. He couldn't achieve blizzcon without premier league. It would be really hard without 3 premier league seasons.
I'd imagine going to Europe for a few weeks isn't the worst idea either.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
Stephano did ok in Code S. Definitely mid Code A to lower Code S. Forgg could probably still hang in Code A. Dimaga is maybe lower Code A, maybe
Didn't Stephano lose every one of his games and get immediately knocked out? I think Dima is too much upanddown to be reliably in Code A, but right now he's looking pretty good.
He beat Hack, and lost to Innobestrtsplayerevervation twice.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
MVP ran away cause he was not code s to begin with. He couldn't achieve blizzcon without premier league. It would be really hard without 3 premier league seasons.
That's true, but what's the point of getting to blizzcon with the route he chose if you're not the best possible player you can be? If he really cared about perfecting his game, and not simply securing a blizzcon slot by opting for a weaker division, he would've stayed in korea.
On May 27 2013 16:54 intmastad wrote: Mvp is just code b player in korea he is not even code a level
nah the gameplay he showed yesterday was at least code s ro8 level
I've seen way way worse shit from bomber and he made it there
how can you possibly make a statement like this? His opponent is not even code a level so of course the skill difference might skew your perspective and make MVP seem better than he actually is. Also his opponent's failure to adapt allowed MVP to play comfortably, which definitely doesn't happen for most players in code s. Even MVP knows that he's nowhere near code s, which is why he ran away from korea to go to EU in the first place.
MVP ran away cause he was not code s to begin with. He couldn't achieve blizzcon without premier league. It would be really hard without 3 premier league seasons.
That's true, but what's the point of getting to blizzcon with the route he chose if you're not the best possible player you can be? If he really cared about perfecting his game, and not simply securing a blizzcon slot by opting for a weaker division, he would've stayed in korea.
to make money? -_- why else
that stay in korea and middle around in code a is sure working out for all those poor esf players ;/
A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
One reason is because Terran units are low damage, high attack speed units so there is minimal overkill. Protoss need to waste AoE to get rid of the SCVs, which are effective tanks because Protoss units are high damage, low attack speed, which means more overkill.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because warpins are more valuable than probe dps
That logic is invalidated when you have 65 probes and you just lost your third. That's at least 17 probes that contribute next to nothing to your economy.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because warpins are more valuable than probe dps
That logic is invalidated when you have 65 probes and you just lost your third. That's at least 17 probes that contribute next to nothing to your economy.
They also block your zealots if you pull them to attack
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because warpins are more valuable than probe dps
That logic is invalidated when you have 65 probes and you just lost your third. That's at least 17 probes that contribute next to nothing to your economy.
By the time you walk across the map and get into the fight where they obstruct zealots, you could have a nexus up and be warping in more things...
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
You can't be serious. Top Europeans can definitely beat low tier koreans like Tails/Shuttle/NSHoseo but there's not a chance in hell they could win 12 matches in proleague. Revival beat Scarlett one of the most hyped foreigners FFS.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
Top tier like mouz for example?
You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.
They barely count as European :p
And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
You can't be serious. Top Europeans can definitely beat low tier koreans like Tails/Shuttle/NSHoseo but there's not a chance in hell they could win 12 matches in proleague.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
Top tier like mouz for example?
You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.
They barely count as European :p
And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?
Taeja actually demolished everything when he had wrists
Taeja all killed Root, HerO all killed mouz. All very recently.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because melee units
Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.
I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because melee units
Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.
I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
Top tier like mouz for example?
You're on. Only Axiom Acer has a chance.
They barely count as European :p
And to anyone thinking some Euro team could do well, didn't TL basically demolish foreign team leagues when Taeja still had wrists?
I agree (I quoted the wrong comment). But the same is true for EGTL concerning Koreans.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS
No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because melee units
Select once said he wanted terran to have a melee unit and MC responded to that statement with the fact that terran has SCVs. It was one of the better moments of that IPL player panel.
I do kind of wonder how terran would function with a proper melee unit added in. Is bio + mass zealot a valid thing in 2v2 games?
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS
No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.
Also great since you can storm your own probes. It just doesn't work. If it did, pros would do it.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.
In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
Oh and SCVs have 5 more HP. Oh and they also block zealots. Probes die faster, don't block your opponent's units (because no melee units for terran), instead block your own units.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Lol So you want probes to tank the damage. Which means you want them to be in the front. But you also want your zealots to do damage. How does that work exactly? It actually lowers your DPS
No, when the zealots die, the probes continue to tank. The longer time spend with melee, the better for your ranged units.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Jürgen's pretty good, those Germans have potential
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.
In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
I'm talking about a situation like we JUST saw where the probes aren't contributing anything. Once the Chargelots die, the probes reinforce with limited melee damage, and it takes the Terran army just a bit longer to get to the ranged units OR it costs a bit more stim-time to kite the army. If the best argument against that is that you can storm your own probes which otherwise would be dead supply anyway, I have yet to hear why a Protoss doesn't reinforce chargelot with probe-tanking in an all-or-nothing scenario.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
The "fanboys are so cute" reveals your troll attempt.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.
In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
I'm talking about a situation like we JUST saw where the probes aren't contributing anything. Once the Chargelots die, the probes reinforce with limited melee damage, and it takes the Terran army just a bit longer to get to the ranged units. If the best argument against that is that you can storm your own probes which otherwise would be dead supply anyway, I have yet to hear why a Protoss doesn't reinforce chargelot with probe-tanking in an all-or-nothing scenario.
Some pros do pull probes when there is absolutely no mining possible. It doesn't happen often because it is always better to mine a little than use probes to fight.
Best pro probe puller is Naniwa maybe you should ask him about it :p
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.
In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
I'm talking about a situation like we JUST saw where the probes aren't contributing anything. Once the Chargelots die, the probes reinforce with limited melee damage, and it takes the Terran army just a bit longer to get to the ranged units OR it costs a bit more stim-time to kite the army. If the best argument against that is that you can storm your own probes which otherwise would be dead supply anyway, I have yet to hear why a Protoss doesn't reinforce chargelot with probe-tanking in an all-or-nothing scenario.
Because there's literally no such thing as an all-or-nothing scenario where you only have 17 excess probes past 6 minutes
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.
In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
I'm talking about a situation like we JUST saw where the probes aren't contributing anything. Once the Chargelots die, the probes reinforce with limited melee damage, and it takes the Terran army just a bit longer to get to the ranged units. If the best argument against that is that you can storm your own probes which otherwise would be dead supply anyway, I have yet to hear why a Protoss doesn't reinforce chargelot with probe-tanking in an all-or-nothing scenario.
In most offensive cases you prefer pulling back when your zealots are dead, wait for the round of warp-ins and minerals (mined by, tadam, the probes :D), remake zealots and go again. In defense, against a Terran all-in for example, you actually do see probe pulls when the situation is desperate enough.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans.
Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong.
On May 27 2013 17:15 Shantastic wrote: A probe pull seems to be HerO's best chance here. Why are Terrans the only ones who use workers in their all-ins ever, when Terran is the only race that uses so many splash-less compositions, making worker all-ins more effective?
Because MUUUULLLEEES :D
I wasn't asking why Terrans pull SCVs. I was asking why Protoss players don't, in situations where you lose your base, are oversaturated, and two bases down with a minor army advantage.
And it was answered already.
Far from satisfactory answer. It's extra DPS in a situation where you can't possibly recover economically. They don't obstruct zealots because Chargelots move faster.
Terran units are all ranged, so it makes sense to put a melee buffer in front of them, they can still all fire. A good Protoss army has chargelots, like you said, so either the probes, or the zealots can't attack, so it's not really a plus to have probes in your army. And they will be wiped out by Terran's ranged units very very quickly. Another example: you don't see SCV pulls (as a non-desperate move :D) past the early game in TvT, because it just doesn't work, they don't tank against anything, and die instantly anyway.
In the end, it all comes down to the fact that Terran is a pure ranged race, but not the other two.
I'm talking about a situation like we JUST saw where the probes aren't contributing anything. Once the Chargelots die, the probes reinforce with limited melee damage, and it takes the Terran army just a bit longer to get to the ranged units. If the best argument against that is that you can storm your own probes which otherwise would be dead supply anyway, I have yet to hear why a Protoss doesn't reinforce chargelot with probe-tanking in an all-or-nothing scenario.
In most offensive cases you prefer pulling back when your zealots are dead, wait for the round of warp-ins and minerals (mined by, tadam, the probes :D), remake zealots and go again. In defense, against a Terran all-in for example, you actually do see probe pulls when the situation is desperate enough.
Again, the probes don't mine the minerals, because they would oversaturate your mining bases. With so many maps with far enough thirds, that the distance mining gives you maybe 1 extra zealot, I fail to see a reason not to reinforce with deadweight probes.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans.
Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong.
But what teams are you even thinking of? Karonte with only 2 really good players wouldn't even be able to finish off a Proleague match. Mill has ForGG and a rising Dayshi, but aside from ForGG I don't think anyone there has even shown the ability to win an adequate percent of the time against Koreans. Similar for mouz.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans.
Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong.
"Typical Code A players" are much stronger than most top EU players anyway. It's really not the same class of players. I think you confuse top Korean players (a lot of them are in Code A :D) with players like Tails, Shuttle etc..
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
They forgot about "King of Wings". Btw, was it MKP as the last player who never falled in code A from code S since the first season?
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
Recently, yeah. But I believe that was more to his worsening physical condition at the end of WoL than a change in what kind of tournament he is better at. He seems to not be having too many health issues right now, and is performing well again because of it.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans.
Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong.
But what teams are you even thinking of? Karonte with only 2 really good players wouldn't even be able to finish off a Proleague match. Mill has ForGG and a rising Dayshi, but aside from ForGG I don't think anyone there has even shown the ability to win an adequate percent of the time against Koreans. Similar for mouz.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
On May 27 2013 17:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet, that any of top tier european team could play at the same level as EG-TL, or even better, such a shame that so great lineup for EG-TL disappointing from time to time.
I don't think so haha. You're underestimating the level of these players. A player like HerO straight up all-kills foreign teams for breakfast, he can't do that to Proleague teams.
Should I remind you about EG-TL players performance during DreamHack? Should I remind you about overall chances in bo1 format? Fanboys are so cute :D
I'm not even a fanboy man, I really don't care :D But what european player do you honestly see competing better than HerO vs someone like Ty? Maybe Jürgen, I'll give you that.
Every strong TvTer and also top zerg possibly could, stop underestimating European top tier players, yes, overall Koreans are much stronger, but looking at the EG-TL results i rather call them a typical code A players, that has nothing special in comparison to top europeans.
Also this is just my humble opinion and I might be wrong.
But what teams are you even thinking of? Karonte with only 2 really good players wouldn't even be able to finish off a Proleague match. Mill has ForGG and a rising Dayshi, but aside from ForGG I don't think anyone there has even shown the ability to win an adequate percent of the time against Koreans. Similar for mouz.
MilK next proleague champion.
You heard it here first.
So I was right about mouz!
Also, team MilK, the favorite team of every mother.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Well he did try.
Again, performance =/= ability.
Yeah I can agree with that. He actually performed really well in Code S but Innovation is something else. His Code A match was disappointing though.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra.
Can EG-TL players beat "code S" Koreans consistenly though?
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra.
Can EG-TL players beat "code S" Koreans consistenly though?
:D
HerO? Yeah. Taeja? Yeah. Jaedong? Not sure but he'll get there. This is a team with potential, not necessarily a power punch team right now. But it's not surprising, these guys haven't been in a team house for that long. Practice pays off over time, not instantly.
On May 27 2013 17:38 intmastad wrote: Code b player such as mvp can even win foreign league
Performance and capability are two faaaaar different things. Mvp can beat pretty much any Korean pro, but his performance in Korean individual leagues is lacking. He has always been stronger in foreign leagues, though, even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues.
what are you saying ;o
mvp was always " weaker " in foreign tournaments, and best in GSL where he could prepare for each series after the ro16.
wcs eu is kind of like GSL, so It's not surprising he would do well there.
Fine, let me reword. He has recently been better in foreign leagues. Unless you've seen him in ro8 many times recently, and I just slept through the last couple seasons of GSL.
I didn't even understand your "even against those who perform better than him in Korean leagues". Were you talking about foreigners there? Because there aren't foreigners that can compete in Korean leagues anymore past, let's say, the very first round of Code A.
I just typically saw him perform better against top eSF Koreans in foreign tournaments than in Korean tournaments. I mean, he was great in Code S last season, but I just felt like the players he faced in both foreign and Korean tourneys, he had better results against them in the foreign matches. But hey, maybe it's just how the stats happened to spread.
I'd still say someone like Stephano has the ability to compete with the Ro32. Remember that not all of Code S is top-tier KeSPA pro (or Life). Many Code S players can be beaten by the top foreigners without a doubt.
Without a doubt? Of course sometimes top foreigners can beat a "code S" Korean but can they do that consistently? Stephano is the only one who comes close to that. Maybe, just maybe, Naniwa if he stops being Nanidra.
Can EG-TL players beat "code S" Koreans consistenly though?
:D
Both Hero and Taeja have proved just that. But that's not the point. Do you really think that a team like Empire would do better in Proleague than EGTL? :-S
Ok Ty strikes again, yet i dont know who this guy is. From kespa? Anyway, he wins alot but do he play good, can someone enlighten me seems to me he really rapes things lately he even beat big names from time to time anywayplease enlighten me
He was considered a prodigy when he joined WeMade FOX when he was 12. He was always solid, but a lot of people think that he never lived up to his potential. He is still a very good terran with excellent mechanics and multitask.
Hmm, too bad for EGTL. EG and TL's venture into Proleague was risky but if (or when) it's successfully, it would hugely pay off. I do hope if things don't go well this season (still) that they'll try another season.
On May 27 2013 23:03 sitromit wrote: Baby is dominating lately. Hope he can make it back into GSL. So has EGTL finally entered the mathematically impossible zone with this?
EGTL can only reach a maximum of 20 wins.
Woongjin are already past that. KT and SKT need 1 more win to reach that, and their differential is almost impossible to reach for EGTL. So let's assume they both win a few more games.
If STX win 3 more matches, EGTL are out.
If Khan win 3 more matches, EGTL need to win every remaining match, and 4-1 or 4-0 everything (since they will be tied, and need to win on differential).
If CJ or T8 reach 20 wins, EGTL need to win every remaining match and make up their differential.
If 3 more teams reach 20 wins (including KT and SKT), EGTL are out.
On May 27 2013 23:01 Goldfish wrote: Hmm, too bad for EGTL. EG and TL's venture into Proleague was risky but if (or when) it's successfully, it would hugely pay off. I do hope if things don't go well this season (still) that they'll try another season.
They mentioned that there was a $100k entry fee for PL, but is that a one time, or each season? If it's another 100k next season, then the team might decide it's not worth it.
Baby always had good multitasking in BW, and wow, it's incredible to see that trait shine like this. Reminds me of Bisu. Baby is the new Bisu. Bisu needs to switch to Terran clearly
On May 28 2013 01:02 Milkis wrote: Baby always had good multitasking in BW, and wow, it's incredible to see that trait shine like this. Reminds me of Bisu. Baby is the new Bisu. Bisu needs to switch to Terran clearly
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