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Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
May 27 2013 10:08 GMT
#301
On May 27 2013 19:05 fartosis77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/

Come on. The game hasn't been out that long so even KESPA is still figuring shit out. Also, we are currently playing a meta created by those KESPA players as they are the ones clearly dominating the SC2 scene and being innovative. Or I am just not understanding the meaning of innovative. :p


Well from my point of view, they play exactly like ESF players, but just better.

Everytime i see a Kespa player doing something different, they copied a build from ESF / EU. I never see them creating new builds.

But maybe its the bo1 format which is the cause... I dont know.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
May 27 2013 10:08 GMT
#302
On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/


damn it. let's all just chuckle and look for the hidden camera.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 27 2013 10:08 GMT
#303
On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/


Nah. They're good at it. See BoxeR and ooV from way back. Then there's Bisu's sentry toss.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 27 2013 10:08 GMT
#304
Maybe this is the first time I've seen both players go for 1-gate exp
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 27 2013 10:08 GMT
#305
On May 27 2013 19:08 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:05 fartosis77 wrote:
On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/

Come on. The game hasn't been out that long so even KESPA is still figuring shit out. Also, we are currently playing a meta created by those KESPA players as they are the ones clearly dominating the SC2 scene and being innovative. Or I am just not understanding the meaning of innovative. :p


Well from my point of view, they play exactly like ESF players, but just better.

Everytime i see a Kespa player doing something different, they copied a build from ESF / EU. I never see them creating new builds.

But maybe its the bo1 format which is the cause... I dont know.

If it works, it works.
They create plenty of new stuff. But there's no point in reinventing the wheel.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 10:09:21
May 27 2013 10:09 GMT
#306
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 10:14:13
May 27 2013 10:11 GMT
#307
On May 27 2013 19:07 EpiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/

Being innovative just for the sake of novelty won't win games. They're simply going with the best build that'll likely beat their opponents. Whether this build is "innovative" or not doesn't really matter to them.

I think part of it is also the format in which we are seeing them. You could say that PL is a sequence of Bo1's and in those it is best just to play the most reliable build for the map that's possible, be it macro or timing, you don't necessarily need to do anything unexpected. In a Bo3 or more it's a completely different thing, you need to deviate from your preferred style occasionally.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
May 27 2013 10:11 GMT
#308
On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?


You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 27 2013 10:13 GMT
#309
On May 27 2013 19:11 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?


You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon


I think it's very map dependent, if you got a tighter choke like Fighting Spirit or on Neo Planet S then the Nexus cannon and forcefields can do pretty well.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 27 2013 10:13 GMT
#310
Solid play by Stats!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
May 27 2013 10:13 GMT
#311
On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?

No it really isn't, you're super vulnerable to early gateway pokes and straight up die to any sort of cheese or fast 3 warpgate rush
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
May 27 2013 10:14 GMT
#312
Finally a protos use this probes to fight.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2013 10:15 GMT
#313
this building placement from stats is questionable
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 27 2013 10:16 GMT
#314
On May 27 2013 19:08 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/


damn it. let's all just chuckle and look for the hidden camera.

You don't get it man, they don't go for proxy hatches or infestor drops
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
May 27 2013 10:16 GMT
#315
On May 27 2013 19:13 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:11 Yello wrote:
On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?


You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon


I think it's very map dependent, if you got a tighter choke like Fighting Spirit or on Neo Planet S then the Nexus cannon and forcefields can do pretty well.


fighting spirit still has that cliff where you can jump into the main with blink stalkers and really abuse the mobility, harassing the main and the natural. The defending player has to walk a little bit further because the choke is rather in the back.

Of course Blink is not a free-win against 1-gate expand, it depends on the micro and decision making of both players. But it's still really strong.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2013 10:17 GMT
#316
nexus cannon too strong d;
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
May 27 2013 10:17 GMT
#317
Who said colosus can't be microed :D
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 27 2013 10:17 GMT
#318
dead close from each player??? Parting is 30 supply behind, he's allin on that attack and didn't do any dmg yet.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 27 2013 10:18 GMT
#319
On May 27 2013 19:16 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 19:13 Heartland wrote:
On May 27 2013 19:11 Yello wrote:
On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?


You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon


I think it's very map dependent, if you got a tighter choke like Fighting Spirit or on Neo Planet S then the Nexus cannon and forcefields can do pretty well.


fighting spirit still has that cliff where you can jump into the main with blink stalkers and really abuse the mobility, harassing the main and the natural. The defending player has to walk a little bit further because the choke is rather in the back.

Of course Blink is not a free-win against 1-gate expand, it depends on the micro and decision making of both players. But it's still really strong.


Yeah, absolutely.
xpaperclip
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
May 27 2013 10:18 GMT
#320
Poll: Recommend Set 4?

Yes (8)
 
62%

If you have time (3)
 
23%

No (2)
 
15%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Set 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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