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On May 27 2013 19:05 fartosis77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/ Come on. The game hasn't been out that long so even KESPA is still figuring shit out. Also, we are currently playing a meta created by those KESPA players as they are the ones clearly dominating the SC2 scene and being innovative. Or I am just not understanding the meaning of innovative. :p
Well from my point of view, they play exactly like ESF players, but just better.
Everytime i see a Kespa player doing something different, they copied a build from ESF / EU. I never see them creating new builds.
But maybe its the bo1 format which is the cause... I dont know.
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On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/
damn it. let's all just chuckle and look for the hidden camera.
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On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/
Nah. They're good at it. See BoxeR and ooV from way back. Then there's Bisu's sentry toss.
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Maybe this is the first time I've seen both players go for 1-gate exp
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On May 27 2013 19:08 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:05 fartosis77 wrote:On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/ Come on. The game hasn't been out that long so even KESPA is still figuring shit out. Also, we are currently playing a meta created by those KESPA players as they are the ones clearly dominating the SC2 scene and being innovative. Or I am just not understanding the meaning of innovative. :p Well from my point of view, they play exactly like ESF players, but just better. Everytime i see a Kespa player doing something different, they copied a build from ESF / EU. I never see them creating new builds. But maybe its the bo1 format which is the cause... I dont know.
If it works, it works.
They create plenty of new stuff. But there's no point in reinventing the wheel.
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You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?
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On May 27 2013 19:07 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/ Being innovative just for the sake of novelty won't win games. They're simply going with the best build that'll likely beat their opponents. Whether this build is "innovative" or not doesn't really matter to them.
I think part of it is also the format in which we are seeing them. You could say that PL is a sequence of Bo1's and in those it is best just to play the most reliable build for the map that's possible, be it macro or timing, you don't necessarily need to do anything unexpected. In a Bo3 or more it's a completely different thing, you need to deviate from your preferred style occasionally.
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On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?
You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon
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On May 27 2013 19:11 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays? You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon
I think it's very map dependent, if you got a tighter choke like Fighting Spirit or on Neo Planet S then the Nexus cannon and forcefields can do pretty well.
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On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays?
No it really isn't, you're super vulnerable to early gateway pokes and straight up die to any sort of cheese or fast 3 warpgate rush
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Finally a protos use this probes to fight.
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this building placement from stats is questionable
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On May 27 2013 19:08 thepuppyassassin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:03 Insoleet wrote:
Is it me or Kespa players are not really innovative and mostly try to play the best games following the current meta ? :/ damn it. let's all just chuckle and look for the hidden camera.
You don't get it man, they don't go for proxy hatches or infestor drops 
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On May 27 2013 19:13 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:11 Yello wrote:On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays? You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon I think it's very map dependent, if you got a tighter choke like Fighting Spirit or on Neo Planet S then the Nexus cannon and forcefields can do pretty well.
fighting spirit still has that cliff where you can jump into the main with blink stalkers and really abuse the mobility, harassing the main and the natural. The defending player has to walk a little bit further because the choke is rather in the back.
Of course Blink is not a free-win against 1-gate expand, it depends on the micro and decision making of both players. But it's still really strong.
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nexus cannon too strong d;
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Who said colosus can't be microed :D
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dead close from each player??? Parting is 30 supply behind, he's allin on that attack and didn't do any dmg yet.
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On May 27 2013 19:16 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:13 Heartland wrote:On May 27 2013 19:11 Yello wrote:On May 27 2013 19:09 LittLeD wrote:
You almost never see first nexus in PvP? What is this, WoL? Isn't it quite common nowadays? You almost never see 1-gate expand because it loses to blink-allin and phoenix+gateway all-ins pretty often. There are so many different openings in PvP that require totally different answers that it's really hard to make 1-gate expand work, even with photon cannon I think it's very map dependent, if you got a tighter choke like Fighting Spirit or on Neo Planet S then the Nexus cannon and forcefields can do pretty well. fighting spirit still has that cliff where you can jump into the main with blink stalkers and really abuse the mobility, harassing the main and the natural. The defending player has to walk a little bit further because the choke is rather in the back. Of course Blink is not a free-win against 1-gate expand, it depends on the micro and decision making of both players. But it's still really strong.
Yeah, absolutely.
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