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On May 17 2013 02:31 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote: I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't tanor effectively kill tank since they have the contain. He did it in the finals against Squirtle as well, game 6 on Dual Sight, if I remember correctly. It goes back way before that, I think the first time ever was MC vs MVP on antiga shipyard.
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On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote: I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.
nice mini-analysis, pretty much agree with all three points
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On May 17 2013 02:29 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:27 Firlefanz wrote: SaSe storming his own zealots and it actually matters. Nice, nothing more depressing than seeing this and protoss still winning the fight. We watching a different game? SaSe didn't come close to winning that fight O.o Even if he didn't storm his zealots he wasn't gonna break that contain... Yeah, I should have clarified that. But the zealots died so much faster because of the own storms so it was even more one-sided.
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Hockey vs Mvp? Tough choice.
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No matter how many times I see it, it still hurts me to see a Terran 40 supply above the Protoss in the midgame, without any previous action.
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On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote: I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.
Awesome analysis
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On May 17 2013 02:32 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote: I just realized we still have yet to see King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<... Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL How? He just won his Code A R3 match.
Its gotta be season 2 if Flash can do top 5 and mvp can do top 5
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On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote: Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill. Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false. They should be judged accordingly. Online play is really painful cross region for like KR->EU or back.
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On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote: I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.
Going into 2 absolute gas heavy techbuilds at once from 2base is just a huge mistake by SaSe. 2 expensive tech buildings, 2 expensive upgrades and the units cost tons of gas too. Also Sase suicided his MSC. was just generally bad play and a weird strat...
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On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote: I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.
tl analysis desk > esl analysis desk.
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On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote: Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill. Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.
It has nothing to do with coinflips and everything to do with two opponents meeting on an uneven battlefield i.e. cross-server latency etc.
Sitting 10 feet away face to face from your opponent eliminates these external advantages.
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why SaSe has an idle obs in his main ? Oo
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On May 17 2013 02:33 trwkling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:32 Wintex wrote:On May 17 2013 02:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote: I just realized we still have yet to see King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<... Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL How? He just won his Code A R3 match. Its gotta be season 2 if Flash can do top 5 and mvp can do top 5 Damnit im not reading. require sleep.
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Borsti @_Borsti 3m
@mbCARMAC You probably talked to the players... Is SaSe a bit sick? I saw the tissues on his table and he seems a bit tired / exhausted
Michal Blicharz @mbCARMAC 2m
.@_Borsti yes, SaSe is sick, unfortunately.
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On May 17 2013 02:32 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:29 Blaec wrote:On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote: I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using? Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H CPU: INTEL Core i5-3570K GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670 RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7 SSD: 120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz) Well it's better than my shit, for sure. As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though What do you mean ? Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it. The case has a sata bay in the top (I have the older one), thus allowing an ssd to be allocated to each player that can be easily swapped. Thanks actually that's interesting and valid. I just like being a smartass sometimes =P
Yeah its a really smart idea giving everyone a ssd. Makes so much sense.
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Sase missing the 76 supply Pylon, which I do every game.
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Mvp with a 40 supply lead, and Sase's supply blocked.
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On May 17 2013 02:27 sc_a.M wrote: someone please link me the brackets please
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pulling all your probes away for one mine does just about as much damage as having lost a couple of probes.
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MVP has a huge army supply lead
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