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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#641
On May 17 2013 02:31 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote:
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't tanor effectively kill tank since they have the contain.


He did it in the finals against Squirtle as well, game 6 on Dual Sight, if I remember correctly.

It goes back way before that, I think the first time ever was MC vs MVP on antiga shipyard.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#642
On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote:
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.


nice mini-analysis, pretty much agree with all three points
Firlefanz
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany245 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#643
On May 17 2013 02:29 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:27 Firlefanz wrote:
SaSe storming his own zealots and it actually matters. Nice, nothing more depressing than seeing this and protoss still winning the fight.

We watching a different game? SaSe didn't come close to winning that fight O.o Even if he didn't storm his zealots he wasn't gonna break that contain...

Yeah, I should have clarified that. But the zealots died so much faster because of the own storms so it was even more one-sided.
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
May 16 2013 17:33 GMT
#644
Hockey vs Mvp? Tough choice.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
May 16 2013 17:33 GMT
#645
No matter how many times I see it, it still hurts me to see a Terran 40 supply above the Protoss in the midgame, without any previous action.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
May 16 2013 17:33 GMT
#646
On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote:
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.




Awesome analysis
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
May 16 2013 17:33 GMT
#647
On May 17 2013 02:32 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote:
I just realized we still have yet to see
King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<...

Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL

How? He just won his Code A R3 match.


Its gotta be season 2 if Flash can do top 5 and mvp can do top 5
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
May 16 2013 17:33 GMT
#648
On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:
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On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.

They should be judged accordingly. Online play is really painful cross region for like KR->EU or back.
The Bomber boy
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#649
On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote:
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.


Going into 2 absolute gas heavy techbuilds at once from 2base is just a huge mistake by SaSe. 2 expensive tech buildings, 2 expensive upgrades and the units cost tons of gas too. Also Sase suicided his MSC. was just generally bad play and a weird strat...
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#650
On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote:
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.


tl analysis desk > esl analysis desk.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#651
On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.


It has nothing to do with coinflips and everything to do with two opponents meeting on an uneven battlefield i.e. cross-server latency etc.

Sitting 10 feet away face to face from your opponent eliminates these external advantages.
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#652
why SaSe has an idle obs in his main ? Oo
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#653
On May 17 2013 02:33 trwkling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:32 Wintex wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote:
I just realized we still have yet to see
King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<...

Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL

How? He just won his Code A R3 match.


Its gotta be season 2 if Flash can do top 5 and mvp can do top 5

Damnit im not reading. require sleep.
The Bomber boy
pepe08
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany566 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#654
Borsti ‏@_Borsti 3m

@mbCARMAC You probably talked to the players... Is SaSe a bit sick? I saw the tissues on his table and he seems a bit tired / exhausted

Michal Blicharz ‏@mbCARMAC 2m

.@_Borsti yes, SaSe is sick, unfortunately.

((((((((((((((((((((
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#655
On May 17 2013 02:32 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:29 Blaec wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote:
I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using?



Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H

CPU:
INTEL Core i5-3570K

GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670

RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V

PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7

SSD:
120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic

Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz)



Well it's better than my shit, for sure.


As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though


What do you mean ?



Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing

The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame

RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w

And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it.


The case has a sata bay in the top (I have the older one), thus allowing an ssd to be allocated to each player that can be easily swapped.


Thanks actually that's interesting and valid.

Show nested quote +
ty for explaining


I just like being a smartass sometimes =P


Yeah its a really smart idea giving everyone a ssd. Makes so much sense.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5222 Posts
May 16 2013 17:36 GMT
#656
Sase missing the 76 supply Pylon, which I do every game.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#657
Mvp with a 40 supply lead, and Sase's supply blocked.
Long live the King of Wings
sc_a.M
Profile Joined April 2013
420 Posts
May 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#658
On May 17 2013 02:27 sc_a.M wrote:
someone please link me the brackets please



User was warned for this post
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#659
pulling all your probes away for one mine does just about as much damage as having lost a couple of probes.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Yunarc
Profile Joined March 2011
United States314 Posts
May 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#660
MVP has a huge army supply lead
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