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On May 17 2013 02:27 Firlefanz wrote: SaSe storming his own zealots and it actually matters. Nice, nothing more depressing than seeing this and protoss still winning the fight. We watching a different game? SaSe didn't come close to winning that fight O.o Even if he didn't storm his zealots he wasn't gonna break that contain...
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On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote: I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using? Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H CPU: INTEL Core i5-3570K GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670 RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7 SSD: 120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz) Well it's better than my shit, for sure. As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though What do you mean ? Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it.
The case has a sata bay in the top (I have the older one), thus allowing an ssd to be allocated to each player that can be easily swapped.
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Damnit SaSe, you can do it!!! Bring the cheddar!
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On May 17 2013 02:27 trwkling wrote: Should he have made more immortals? Don't know whether he could've broken that though.. If he had just gone robo, he'd been a lot better off. Aside from a couple feedbacks, those HTs did nothing
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On May 17 2013 02:27 trwkling wrote: Should he have made more immortals? Don't know whether he could've broken that though..
He could have made immortals but I don't think it would have changed the result at all once Mvp set up the contain.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.
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All those zealots just disapeared over 2 vollys so crazy.
And he had a third building in the background so he had the game won both ways.
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I just realized we still have yet to see King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<...
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On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote: I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using? Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H CPU: INTEL Core i5-3570K GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670 RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7 SSD: 120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz) Well it's better than my shit, for sure. As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though What do you mean ? Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it.
ty for explaining 
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I so rarely go up against tanks when I play PvT that when it does happen on the 1 in 50 occasion I usually have no idea how to deal with it.
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On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote: Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill. Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.
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United States97274 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote: I just realized we still have yet to see King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<... Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL
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Thank god HotS made room in the UI for twitter messages. I always felt that was missing.
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Well, as soon as MVP came there with his army, the game was pretty much over.
Sase'd lost the game before.
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I have a feeling if I tried that build MVP did on the ladder I'd just get crushed. Feels like SaSe did the anti-build.
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On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote: I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:
1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with. 2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often. 3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't tanor effectively kill tank since they have the contain.
He did it in the finals against Squirtle as well, game 6 on Dual Sight, if I remember correctly.
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On May 17 2013 02:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote: I just realized we still have yet to see King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<... Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL How? He just won his Code A R3 match.
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Lol time for people to ignore Naama doing MMT 2base contains since 2010 xD
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On May 17 2013 02:31 Tenks wrote: I have a feeling if I tried that build MVP did on the ladder I'd just get crushed. Feels like SaSe did the anti-build. I think even ladder tosses wouldn't try to make so many templar and colossi against tanks..
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United Kingdom20275 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:29 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote: I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using? Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H CPU: INTEL Core i5-3570K GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670 RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7 SSD: 120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz) Well it's better than my shit, for sure. As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though What do you mean ? Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it. The case has a sata bay in the top (I have the older one), thus allowing an ssd to be allocated to each player that can be easily swapped.
Thanks actually that's interesting and valid.
ty for explaining
I just like being a smartass sometimes =P
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