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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#621
On May 17 2013 02:27 Firlefanz wrote:
SaSe storming his own zealots and it actually matters. Nice, nothing more depressing than seeing this and protoss still winning the fight.

We watching a different game? SaSe didn't come close to winning that fight O.o Even if he didn't storm his zealots he wasn't gonna break that contain...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#622
On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote:
I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using?



Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H

CPU:
INTEL Core i5-3570K

GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670

RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V

PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7

SSD:
120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic

Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz)



Well it's better than my shit, for sure.


As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though


What do you mean ?



Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing

The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame

RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w

And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it.


The case has a sata bay in the top (I have the older one), thus allowing an ssd to be allocated to each player that can be easily swapped.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#623
Damnit SaSe, you can do it!!! Bring the cheddar!
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#624
On May 17 2013 02:27 trwkling wrote:
Should he have made more immortals? Don't know whether he could've broken that though..

If he had just gone robo, he'd been a lot better off. Aside from a couple feedbacks, those HTs did nothing
Big water
McBrungus
Profile Joined April 2011
United States265 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#625
On May 17 2013 02:27 trwkling wrote:
Should he have made more immortals? Don't know whether he could've broken that though..


He could have made immortals but I don't think it would have changed the result at all once Mvp set up the contain.
So I says to Mabel, I says...
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:31:30
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#626
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't target and kill the tanks since they have the contain.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14048 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#627
All those zealots just disapeared over 2 vollys so crazy.

And he had a third building in the background so he had the game won both ways.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#628
I just realized we still have yet to see
King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<...
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
May 16 2013 17:30 GMT
#629
On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote:
I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using?



Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H

CPU:
INTEL Core i5-3570K

GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670

RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V

PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7

SSD:
120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic

Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz)



Well it's better than my shit, for sure.


As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though


What do you mean ?



Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing

The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame

RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w

And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it.


ty for explaining
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 16 2013 17:30 GMT
#630
I so rarely go up against tanks when I play PvT that when it does happen on the 1 in 50 occasion I usually have no idea how to deal with it.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
May 16 2013 17:30 GMT
#631
On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 16 2013 17:30 GMT
#632
On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote:
I just realized we still have yet to see
King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<...

Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 16 2013 17:30 GMT
#633
Thank god HotS made room in the UI for twitter messages. I always felt that was missing.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#634
Well, as soon as MVP came there with his army, the game was pretty much over.

Sase'd lost the game before.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#635
I have a feeling if I tried that build MVP did on the ladder I'd just get crushed. Feels like SaSe did the anti-build.
Wat
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#636
On May 17 2013 02:29 stuchiu wrote:
I guess I'll do the anaylsis since they won't. This build by MVP was something he used against Naniwa back during his S2 2012 GSL run. There are a lot of reasons he used this:

1) Tank play is rare and for a stylistic player like Sase, it would be harder to deal with.
2) The tanks defend from alot of early al-ins, all-ins that Sase uses fairly often.
3) Sase used this build ht into collosus. A Tank contain actually counters both as all the gas is spent on high splash units, units that can't tanor effectively kill tank since they have the contain.


He did it in the finals against Squirtle as well, game 6 on Dual Sight, if I remember correctly.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#637
On May 17 2013 02:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:29 LighT. wrote:
I just realized we still have yet to see
King of WoL vs God of BW...even after all this time :<...

Maybe we'll see it in WCS Season 2 if Flash gets top 5 in the GSL

How? He just won his Code A R3 match.
The Bomber boy
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#638
Lol time for people to ignore Naama doing MMT 2base contains since 2010 xD
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#639
On May 17 2013 02:31 Tenks wrote:
I have a feeling if I tried that build MVP did on the ladder I'd just get crushed. Feels like SaSe did the anti-build.

I think even ladder tosses wouldn't try to make so many templar and colossi against tanks..
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
May 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#640
On May 17 2013 02:29 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:25 Cyro wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:18 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:16 Cyro wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 a3den wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:06 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:04 Cyro wrote:
I can't see the system specs anywhere, what PC's are they using?



Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Advance U3

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H

CPU:
INTEL Core i5-3570K

GPU: Zotac Nvidia GTX670

RAM: 8GB DDR3-RAM Crucial Sport Kit PC-1600,CL9,1.5V

PSU: 630W BeQuiet Pure Power L7

SSD:
120GB, 2.5" Samsung 840 Basic

Monitor: BenQ XL2420T (120Hz)



Well it's better than my shit, for sure.


As a tech guy that makes me cringe a bit though


What do you mean ?



Well, to start out: The motherboard and CPU pairing - It's a z77 board (some are ok to get) but very low end. Not an overclocking board - but the CPU is a 3570(k), which means you pay extra for it to be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't do on such a motherboard. That's not a big deal though, just slightly confusing

The GPU is big overkill even for trying to run max settings 120fps - sc2 drops below that very easily, but due to CPU limits, not really GPU. If i max the game on my 260 and look at workers, i have something around 150fps, and the 670 is something like four times as powerful. GPU is almost completely unused as you get later in the game, a high end GPU being below 20% utilization on max settings is commonplace in endgame

RAM, can't really fault, but PSU, you can totally just run a 430/450w unit like the corsair cx430 or if you want high quality, rosewill capstone 450w, i don't know of the quality of that particular PSU, but the kind of system they have under gaming load will use something like 250w

And the ssd, just not the best nor the cheapest model, 840 and 840 basic are in a weird place compared to 830, 840 pro and other brands. They spent a bit on the case too, for no real reason other than appearance - it's just if you wanted to make a system for running an endgame battle at as high FPS as possible, you would cut massively out of the GPU ($250 out) and that would pay for a strong cpu cooler and better board (like z77-ud3 or z77x-ud3h) for a guaranteed, safe overclock without pushing voltages (to get ~30-40% higher minimum fps, due to cpu), and then make slight adjustments to psu and ssd - though that's all really nitpicky. It's just not something i would build, though it's a great system and i'm sure it's hard to find any real fault with it.


The case has a sata bay in the top (I have the older one), thus allowing an ssd to be allocated to each player that can be easily swapped.


Thanks actually that's interesting and valid.

ty for explaining


I just like being a smartass sometimes =P
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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