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Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:39:39
May 16 2013 17:39 GMT
#681
Supplys are a lot more even and that counter could have been great, gonna have to use the zealots as a flank now though.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
May 16 2013 17:39 GMT
#682
Archons please Sase!
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 16 2013 17:39 GMT
#683
On May 17 2013 02:38 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:34 nvs. wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:30 TheBB wrote:
On May 17 2013 02:27 nvs. wrote:
Offline play should be the only play that judges a players skill.

Curious why you think this. Essentially you are saying that online games are purely coinflips, i.e. the results contain no information whatsoever, which is demonstrably false.

It has nothing to do with coinflips and everything to do with two opponents meeting on an uneven battlefield i.e. cross-server latency etc.

Sitting 10 feet away face to face from your opponent eliminates these external advantages.

But your claim wasn't that it should be judged with reservation, but that it shouldn't be judged at all.

I don't see why you would choose to completely disregard information unless it's totally uncorrelated with what you are trying to measure, which it clearly isn't.


I personally would never use flawed information to judge anything.

Perhaps we shall agree to disagree.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#684
Sase getting out multi tasked
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#685
On May 17 2013 02:39 Flanq wrote:
Supplys are a lot more even and that counter could have been great, gonna have to use the zealots as a flank now though.

The flank zealots are dead and so is his Nexus.

Well this was one sided.
Long live the King of Wings
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#686
On May 17 2013 02:39 Tenks wrote:
I don't know Toss that well but can someone quickly explain why these contains are decimating SaSe so badly? Like what is he doing differently that is allowing him to get contained? Is he just playing too tech greedy off 2 bases?


Current metagame force protoss to stay on 2 bases for a long time. The double medivacs are putting a lot on pressure on Sase, and he needs a lot of tech to survive.

But then, when the tech is deployed, MVP is in front of his base with tanks, bunkers, marines, medivacs, marauders.

Very strong strategy by MVP, very methodical, I love it.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#687
serious 1-control group syndrome... i am quite disappointed ;_; it feels like sase is so nervous in these games.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#688
What is SaSe waiting for? What is his passive play going to accomplish?
Scholes
Profile Joined December 2012
Venezuela312 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#689
This tvp style is pretty interesting
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#690
This is Mvp.
The Bomber boy
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#691
Why would you get storm againts this? No need for that. Get archons and try to break out earlier.
Give thanks and praise!
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:41:04
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#692
On May 17 2013 02:39 Tenks wrote:
I don't know Toss that well but can someone quickly explain why these contains are decimating SaSe so badly? Like what is he doing differently that is allowing him to get contained? Is he just playing too tech greedy off 2 bases?

A combination of going for so much tech (his templar are doing zilch), and having absolutely zero scouting. He realises he's being tank contained when they show up in his nexus's vision.
Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#693
Sase just schooled in this series
DasHawk
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark362 Posts
May 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#694
Great plan to wait until ur nexus dies... then push .... ehhh wait ...wtf
Man Sase has no fucking clue how to combat this style.
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
May 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#695
MVP's playstyle: I'm going to step on your balls and then not fucking move. All game.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
May 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#696
Storm or Archons versus Bunkers and Siege Tanks...

Why did he pick Storm?
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#697
:D
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#698
Sase's get everything on 2 base strat not working out too well.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
May 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#699
Sase should have kept building Colossus.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#700
Huh. What's the point of busting out of your natural after you've lost your natural?
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
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