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smogg
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria167 Posts
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1061
On May 16 2013 19:21 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:19 smogg wrote:
Welp, a patchzerg just got destroyed. Now let's see how a good zerg player actually plays vs terran.


yeah, that patchzerg that was good in brood war.

Sit down.

Yeah, so good, he almost reached Ro24 once in BroodWar. So good he had an almost 45% winrate in BroodWar. Sooooo good.. Now you sit down.
LiquidHerO, LiquidTaeJa, EG.JD.RC, sCfou, ST_Life, KT_Flash, WJS_Soulkey, NaniWa, SK.MC, AZUBU.SuperNova, SKT1_FanTaSy
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1062
On May 16 2013 19:22 bo1b wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:18 bo1b wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:17 THM wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:09 CarlosOmse wrote:
omfg what sick bullshit, absolutly nothing roro could do against these hellbats drops -.-


Of course there's nothing he can do. He has no tech, he did an ALLIN which failed partly due to his leaving part of his army go afk in the natural. If you allin and you fail you're way behind in tech and you're in deep shit. If those were Marine marauder drops or marine widow mine drops he'd still have a bad time and most likely lose. You don't just come back from having 0 tech vs a terran that has medivacs + hellbats or medivacs + stim or whatever.

43 WORKERS KILLED IS A FAILED ALL IN


yes, all-ins are supposed to win the game out right, especially this one.

All ins need to do enough damage to make it worth while. I'd argue that bringing someone down to 6 workers and 2 hellbats should be enough damage but thats just me.


I agree - that should be enough. In this game however, Innovation had an additional 4 Hellbats and 2 Medivacs going to town on Roro's almost undefended workers. If you take MULEs into consideration the worker difference was not significant.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 10:26:24
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1063
On May 16 2013 19:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:22 Swiipii wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:19 smogg wrote:
Welp, a patchzerg just got destroyed. Now let's see how a good zerg player actually plays vs terran.

So Life's a patchzerg too ?


Leenock too! He had success again after the patch!


Dont forget about Innovation. He made it to the Ro4 after the patch! Definitely a patchzerg!
And Mvp, MC, Seed... all of them are huge patchzergs!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1064
On May 16 2013 19:24 Emuking wrote:
i blame the MULE, lost all scvs but his production isnt halted like it would be for a zerg because MULEs still provide just enough income to keep making army units.

Is this 2010?
I had a good night of sleep.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1065
On May 16 2013 19:24 Fionn wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:23 Die4Ever wrote:
Bomber did win an MLG at least!


He won MLG Raleigh. You have five seconds to tell me who the top three of that tournament were.


Koreans ^_^
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1066
rofl, artosis doesn't even know who monster is

not doing much GSTL promoing there, artosis.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
May 16 2013 10:25 GMT
#1067
Fuck look at Symbols stats! he beat Innovation 3:2 - is he the next Zerg Bonjourno
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 10:27:06
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1068
On May 16 2013 19:23 MrCon wrote:
It's not like terran is winning left and right vs zerg with hellbats. One game omg nerf.
"I don't see any terran being able to beat Life currently" -> Life best player in the world
"I don't see any zerg being able to beat Bogus currently" -> Nerf hellbats because he used them once in a bo5.

Oh please... I am not saying something is imbalanced, but a lot of people were whining about Hellbat drops even before this game and how much it is cost-efficient even if you don't kill any drone.

And where is other half that is saying how Innovation is a god? So please...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1069
On May 16 2013 19:24 Musicus wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:23 Fionn wrote:
I'm happy Bomber found the booth correctly. After two years away from the Ro8, I was afraid he'd walk into a wall or something.


holy shit Fionn, hahahaha


Fionn is on FIRE today ;D
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 10:28:46
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1070
On May 16 2013 19:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:18 bo1b wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:17 THM wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:09 CarlosOmse wrote:
omfg what sick bullshit, absolutly nothing roro could do against these hellbats drops -.-


Of course there's nothing he can do. He has no tech, he did an ALLIN which failed partly due to his leaving part of his army go afk in the natural. If you allin and you fail you're way behind in tech and you're in deep shit. If those were Marine marauder drops or marine widow mine drops he'd still have a bad time and most likely lose. You don't just come back from having 0 tech vs a terran that has medivacs + hellbats or medivacs + stim or whatever.

43 WORKERS KILLED IS A FAILED ALL IN


yes, all-ins are supposed to win the game out right, especially this one.


No.

No, that's not how they work at all, lol. They're supposed to do enough damage (each build has a different threshold) to allow you to move into the next phase of the game with a favorable position.

There are almost no all-ins that REQUIRE the enemy player to be dead. If there were, they wouldn't be worth using, especially at the professional level.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1071
Read the preview, and holy shit, when you put it in kellymilkies and moletrap terms, it sure has been a while.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
panzercrusher
Profile Joined April 2013
Poland457 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1072
On May 16 2013 19:25 Taipoka wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:20 Psychobabas wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:18 Corrosive wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:18 Psychobabas wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:16 EpiK wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:15 Psychobabas wrote:
Innovation = bonjwa

no, just no


Oh yes. Oh yes...

hasnt won a tournament ---> bonjwa


Doesn't need too. He is declared bonjwa from his amazing skills. Best Terran ever. GSL too easy for him.


please don't act so deluded, bonjwa is a term used for long term domination, you can make this claim in at least 8 months from now...if he continues his form.

But but but. We need a new Banjo.


We don`t deserve it
I never asked for this
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1073
On May 16 2013 19:15 Fenrax wrote:
Round of 4 so far: 1Z, 1T, 1P. Better start balance whine.


What do you mean there are two other races now?!?!?!
Fusionz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States54 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1074
While I think Innovation completely outplayed roro, I will say game 3 did make hellbats look very very strong in that type of situation. I think roro did underestimate how much damage they could do, and could have prevented some of it. but I still stand behind hellbats are really really strong for the cost
Saevus
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1075
On May 16 2013 19:25 Fionn wrote:
"Some other guy"

But I thought Tastosis watched GSTL all the time.


Uh no, they usually stream during Code A/ GSTL, especially Tasteless these days
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Lacke
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden46 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1076
On May 16 2013 19:18 Qikz wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:17 deus.machinarum wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:14 BakedButters wrote:
Hellbats need to cost gas or can't be healed by medivacs

I would even go as far as to say that they need to cost gas AND not be able to be healed by medivacs

dunno, still like blizzard's current slow approach to balancing the game


Hellbats need to be as strong as they are or mech just will not work against toss and zerg even. They could remove the healing from hellbats, I agree with that but a gas cost would make mech almost impossible to afford everything you need.

Infact, I'd rather them just make it so you can't build hellbats on their own and you need the upgrade to do it. That'd be fine and it'd remove early drops that are too strong against people playing greedy apparently. You could leave the healing too.



This is exactly what i have been thinking as well. But yeah no rushed patches is also good.

Entertaining series though!
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1077
On May 16 2013 19:24 Twisting wrote:
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On May 16 2013 19:20 Prog455 wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:13 Twisting wrote:
Hellbats makes me want to stab myself in the eye. Even more badly then the insane ghost snipe damage in WoL.


Are you Zerg? Innovation had a far more cost effecient army, which is a pretty good thing to have in low econ situations.


You can not be serious that a hellbat should be this cheap? 100 minerals for such an insane unit that can be healed by medivacs.

Ive been playing terran since hots, and i win all my games with hellbat drops. Low master atm. Its fun to see that no zerg can deal with it on the ladder.


Ofcourse, its not too expensive. It has very low range, is slow and does cost 2 supply. A baneling does cost 0,5supply and can potentially detonate your complete ecoline with drops. You cannot simply compare units and say "nah this needs to be more expensive"

Hellbats already need medivacs to compliment them and be of any aggressive potential to begin with, that makes another 100/100 for you. In bigger fights, hellbats are actually not good if either banelings or anything with range is in play, because they suck balls when they have to get close. They are very good to lings, which they are the counter to. You can test how good hellbats do against roach/bane for example, or good controlled bane/ling. They get SHREDDED
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1078
On May 16 2013 19:24 Diceman45 wrote:
Is anyone elses sound dropping constantly? It's getting pretty annoying...


Yes: are you using Chrome? I keep getting the message that shockwave has crashed.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1079
On May 16 2013 19:25 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 19:22 bo1b wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:18 bo1b wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:17 THM wrote:
On May 16 2013 19:09 CarlosOmse wrote:
omfg what sick bullshit, absolutly nothing roro could do against these hellbats drops -.-


Of course there's nothing he can do. He has no tech, he did an ALLIN which failed partly due to his leaving part of his army go afk in the natural. If you allin and you fail you're way behind in tech and you're in deep shit. If those were Marine marauder drops or marine widow mine drops he'd still have a bad time and most likely lose. You don't just come back from having 0 tech vs a terran that has medivacs + hellbats or medivacs + stim or whatever.

43 WORKERS KILLED IS A FAILED ALL IN


yes, all-ins are supposed to win the game out right, especially this one.

All ins need to do enough damage to make it worth while. I'd argue that bringing someone down to 6 workers and 2 hellbats should be enough damage but thats just me.


I agree - that should be enough. In this game however, Innovation had an additional 4 Hellbats and 2 Medivacs going to town on Roro's almost undefended workers. If you take MULEs into consideration the worker difference was not significant.

3 mules equaling 30 workers is dumb. And my mistake on the count of hellbats.
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
May 16 2013 10:26 GMT
#1080
On May 16 2013 19:25 liberate71 wrote:
Fuck look at Symbols stats! he beat Innovation 3:2 - is he the next Zerg Bonjourno


bonjovi
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