On May 13 2013 17:04 adx2infinitum wrote: Is the $5 one time twitch subscription good for future seasons or only this season? I would really appreciate an answer! TY! :D
I think it is for the whole season. I have had mine since Round 1 and i can still watch VODs and full quality xD
The previous game has wrong on longer than scheduled is all, the EGTL match will start in about 10minutes from now as the other SPL match has just finished.
On May 13 2013 17:12 Sabu113 wrote: Does this match even matter?
I believe it does.
At the start of round 4 I think Coach park said EG-TL would need to win 14/21 matches to have a chance at the playoffs.
So far they're 4-5
I thought that was assuming that the teams above them don't move up in the ranks though. If eg. Samsung starts doing better they're still screwed. But at least they can make it interesting.
so 10 more wins needed with only 2 losses allowed to even have a chance of getting into the playoffs? Sounds like even the magic of Coach Park won't be enough to make this happen
so 10 more wins needed with only 2 losses allowed to even have a chance of getting into the playoffs? Sounds like even the magic of Coach Park won't be enough to make this happen
going 10-2 would put them at 21-21, which might not even be enough considering their horrendous map score.
i think EG-TL would want SKT, KT, and WJS to do as well as possible and the results between KHAN, STX, CJ and T8 to be as even as possible
Does KeSPA use the automatic sending of workers to the minerals at the beginning of the game? (Sorry, that sounds awful but I couldn't think of it's official term) Seemed like manual splitting to me.
Why does Revival keep being sent out? I understand hes a great player but he just does not collect wins. They should also keep the all kill format, Much prefer it over the other one. On another not gogo EG-TL!
On May 13 2013 18:40 A Wild Sosd wrote: Why does Revival keep being sent out? I understand hes a great player but he just does not collect wins. They should also keep the all kill format, Much prefer it over the other one. On another not gogo EG-TL!
I hope they continue both styles. All kill so boring when that is all that's done. I prefer switch on and off, normal proleague - ak, normal - ak- etc. Hope they keep this (I know they did more like normal - ak - normal - normal - ak).
On May 13 2013 18:39 armada[sb] wrote: Does KeSPA use the automatic sending of workers to the minerals at the beginning of the game? (Sorry, that sounds awful but I couldn't think of it's official term) Seemed like manual splitting to me.
On May 13 2013 18:39 armada[sb] wrote: Does KeSPA use the automatic sending of workers to the minerals at the beginning of the game? (Sorry, that sounds awful but I couldn't think of it's official term) Seemed like manual splitting to me.
I think the custom map they use doesn't have auto mining.
On May 13 2013 18:37 GWdeathscythe wrote: Where is Jaedong in the MVP pool?
On May 13 2013 17:09 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:06 Musicus wrote: Why no JD in the MVP poll Yello ?
errrrrrrrrrrrr...... Woongjin has too many Protoss, JD can't win :p
sorry, I totally forgot about him for some reason. You can just vote for 'Other' then and flame me in the comments if he actually wins some games
good point lol... still one can not simple forget about JD, this is sad.
sometimes brain-farts happen. This was one of them. Since a bunch of people already voted I didn't want to re-make the poll. As I said: you are allowed to be angry at me when/if JD wins today
On May 13 2013 18:37 GWdeathscythe wrote: Where is Jaedong in the MVP pool?
On May 13 2013 17:09 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:06 Musicus wrote: Why no JD in the MVP poll Yello ?
errrrrrrrrrrrr...... Woongjin has too many Protoss, JD can't win :p
sorry, I totally forgot about him for some reason. You can just vote for 'Other' then and flame me in the comments if he actually wins some games
good point lol... still one can not simple forget about JD, this is sad.
sometimes brain-farts happen. This was one of them. Since a bunch of people already voted I didn't want to re-make the poll. As I said: you are allowed to be angry at me when/if JD wins today
On May 13 2013 18:37 GWdeathscythe wrote: Where is Jaedong in the MVP pool?
On May 13 2013 17:09 Yello wrote:
On May 13 2013 17:06 Musicus wrote: Why no JD in the MVP poll Yello ?
errrrrrrrrrrrr...... Woongjin has too many Protoss, JD can't win :p
sorry, I totally forgot about him for some reason. You can just vote for 'Other' then and flame me in the comments if he actually wins some games
good point lol... still one can not simple forget about JD, this is sad.
sometimes brain-farts happen. This was one of them. Since a bunch of people already voted I didn't want to re-make the poll. As I said: you are allowed to be angry at me when/if JD wins today
I like how Revival went for the Mondragon school of ZvSkytoss. I feel like he needs some infestors now though, Free has close to the critical mass of void rays to demolish any zerg army, and Colossi will crush Revival.
On May 13 2013 18:49 DarkLordOlli wrote: Make a hive and get vipers. It's not that hard.
...How would vipers be helpful in this situation? I mean, sure, they could pull a few void rays in but there are much better tech options at this point.
On May 13 2013 18:49 Waxangel wrote: what are these fucking pokes and pulls backs, does he thikn prismatic does more dmg to non-armored too and is trying to get it on c/d?
Prismatic Alignment is useful for pure intimidation factor.
On May 13 2013 18:49 DarkLordOlli wrote: Make a hive and get vipers. It's not that hard.
...How would vipers be helpful in this situation? I mean, sure, they could pull a few void rays in but there are much better tech options at this point.
Sniping a couple extremely expensive units at a time is one way to deal with an army that is this cost effective in a ball.
On May 13 2013 18:50 MinzySC2 wrote: Revival needs to stop doing this shit. Gets an okay lead then tries to nydus. Coach Park please ban Revival from using the nydus. Throwhard.
or teach him how to actually use the Nydus to attack in different places instead of attacking into the best defensive position his opponent has....
On May 13 2013 18:49 Waxangel wrote: what are these fucking pokes and pulls backs, does he thikn prismatic does more dmg to non-armored too and is trying to get it on c/d?
Skillrays confuse everyone. I can't tell what Revival is trying to do, what is he teching towards?
On May 13 2013 18:49 DarkLordOlli wrote: Make a hive and get vipers. It's not that hard.
...How would vipers be helpful in this situation? I mean, sure, they could pull a few void rays in but there are much better tech options at this point.
No there are not, lol. You have a mass hydra vs air army with cannons in the way. You know he has to go colossi next. Vipers is the answer.
No idea why Revival is committing to that Nydus location so much. Can someone explain why Revival, after seeing that many cannons, didn't shrug, pull all his shit back, and just Nydus on the left side of the map?
On May 13 2013 18:49 Waxangel wrote: what are these fucking pokes and pulls backs, does he thikn prismatic does more dmg to non-armored too and is trying to get it on c/d?
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
Stop saying "biting in the butt" for fucks sake. It's bad enough to say once, but to repeat it every 5 minutes... sheesh. Doesn't Kespa have anyone that understands English listening to the cast?
FOR THE LOVE OF FLASH STOP SENDING OUT REVIVAL. This dude does alright, then THROWS IT THE FUCK AWAY. 10 straight losses is unacceptable, and he's SERIOUSLY fucking his team over. If he gets sent out in the next match... I don't even fucking know man.
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
Also corruptors.
That's the standard nydus ping for ingame observers, lol.
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
But he would be able to do large amount of damage to mineral line, before toss masses up on phoenixes.
God, it all goes back to Revival's first attack. Chasing probes around randomly. Targeting one nexus to half hp, than targeting core for a few hits, then spreading everything to get killed by voidrays.
If he'd taken his initial units in and focused the main nexus, while rallying lings to kill third, he gets twice the advantage and crushes free 5 minutes later.
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
he had mass HT. You won't make it through the storm and whats left over will be cleaned up by void rays, which are not bad in direct combat vs mutas.
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
Also corruptors.
That's the standard nydus ping for ingame observers, lol.
Man I must not pay attention, I watch a lot of Proleague and that's the first time I've noticed that lol
On May 13 2013 18:57 MinzySC2 wrote: FOR THE LOVE OF FLASH STOP SENDING OUT REVIVAL. This dude does alright, then THROWS IT THE FUCK AWAY. 10 straight losses is unacceptable, and he's SERIOUSLY fucking his team over. If he gets sent out in the next match... I don't even fucking know man.
Maybe he's a practice house monster, but has nerve issues or something(he shouldn't, he's been a progamer forever).
I think he just locks up because he isn't a flexible player. He has set responses to what he initially sees, and doesn't adapt.
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
But he would be able to do large amount of damage to mineral line, before toss masses up on phoenixes.
Not necessarily. It depends on the amount of cannons and how many stalkers the Protoss is able to warp in, also depends on how many mutas the Zerg was able to make and how many mutas they lost in the engagement. That's the idea of a muta switch though.
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
Also corruptors.
not unique to kespa at all, i don't know why you would say so?
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
he had mass HT. You won't make it through the storm and whats left over will be cleaned up by void rays, which are not bad in direct combat vs mutas.
Not to mention all those cannons in case he tries a baserace, a muta switch would never have worked
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
But he would be able to do large amount of damage to mineral line, before toss masses up on phoenixes.
Not to mention he could take the rest of the map and then tech switch to ultras. Revival had plenty of options in that game he just wanted the quick win with a hydra bust and after that failed he got behind.
On May 13 2013 18:59 Wombat_NI wrote: Poor Revival Decent play in the beginning but he really threw that away towards the end. Any idea who they'll send out next?
Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
Also corruptors.
not unique to kespa at all, i don't know why you would say so?
Probably because that's the first time I've seen it, and now that I think about it, all the major SC2 I've watched has been Proleague.
Makes sense for it to have a unique ping now that I think about it.
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
But he would be able to do large amount of damage to mineral line, before toss masses up on phoenixes.
Not necessarily. It depends on the amount of cannons and how many stalkers the Protoss is able to warp in, also depends on how many mutas the Zerg was able to make and how many mutas they lost in the engagement. That's the idea of a muta switch though.
From what I saw he did not have that many canons in min lines, rather in front of nexi. And he can't warp in stalkers to defend every position.
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
Any zerg who makes vipers would have. TLO probably would have had a field day with that game.
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
Does SPL win for the most downtime between games btw? Or is it me? Feels way longer than GOMs and even when it goes back to the action it seems to be another 5 minutes of watching them Practice XD
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
But he would be able to do large amount of damage to mineral line, before toss masses up on phoenixes.
Not necessarily. It depends on the amount of cannons and how many stalkers the Protoss is able to warp in, also depends on how many mutas the Zerg was able to make and how many mutas they lost in the engagement. That's the idea of a muta switch though.
From what I saw he did not have that many canons in min lines, rather in front of nexi. And he can't warp in stalkers to defend every position.
As someone pointed out, he had a lot of high templar so it wouldn't have worked to begin with.
On May 13 2013 19:03 Pandemona wrote: Does SPL win for the most downtime between games btw? Or is it me? Feels way longer than GOMs and even when it goes back to the action it seems to be another 5 minutes of watching them Practice XD
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
I completely agree. I'm not even sure that Flash/Rain/Innovation are all that fantastic either. Proleague is fun for the story and the maps, but the gameplay usually feels pretty lame.
On May 13 2013 19:03 Pandemona wrote: Does SPL win for the most downtime between games btw? Or is it me? Feels way longer than GOMs and even when it goes back to the action it seems to be another 5 minutes of watching them Practice XD
YES. This is why I have a nickname for PL, aka "15-minute-break League" But I think it's gotten better since the new year. It's down to about 10 minutes between matches, now?
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
Also corruptors.
not unique to kespa at all, i don't know why you would say so?
Probably because that's the first time I've seen it, and now that I think about it, all the major SC2 I've watched has been Proleague.
Makes sense for it to have a unique ping now that I think about it.
if all the major sc2 you've watched is PL, then you wouldn't really know about if any other tournament has that ping?
On May 13 2013 18:55 Roman666 wrote: Mutas, get some mutas...
Doesn't work. You can clean up the void ray colossus, but the Protoss can tech switch too. Massing phoenix isn't hard from there with the amount of stargates the Protoss has, then the Zerg will tech switch AGAIN but the Protoss will have predicted the tech switch and already be going back and it's this big retarded circle.
But he would be able to do large amount of damage to mineral line, before toss masses up on phoenixes.
Not necessarily. It depends on the amount of cannons and how many stalkers the Protoss is able to warp in, also depends on how many mutas the Zerg was able to make and how many mutas they lost in the engagement. That's the idea of a muta switch though.
From what I saw he did not have that many canons in min lines, rather in front of nexi. And he can't warp in stalkers to defend every position.
As someone pointed out, he had a lot of high templar so it wouldn't have worked to begin with.
Maybe, but still it is a lot of a hassle to catch mutas when they are flying from mineral line to mineral line with HTs, isnt it? My point is that it would buy him a lot of time to tech up.
On May 13 2013 18:53 armada[sb] wrote: Oh man, that sweet kespa minimap ping.
What does kespa have to do with the ping?
Whatever observer interface they're using had a really sweet looking ping on the minimap. Maybe it's not unique to KeSPA, but I don't see why you should care.
Also corruptors.
not unique to kespa at all, i don't know why you would say so?
Probably because that's the first time I've seen it, and now that I think about it, all the major SC2 I've watched has been Proleague.
Makes sense for it to have a unique ping now that I think about it.
if all the major sc2 you've watched is PL, then you wouldn't really know about if any other tournament has that ping?
*shrug
Not all, just most. Just must not have been paying attention or not seen many nydus plays. I watch GSL and GSTL also, and I noticed they have these new observer interfaces that all seem to be different from one another, so I assumed they were unique to each league.
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
wow, for some reason i thought snute was huge like incontrol. what a handsome fellow! I hope he can do better then revival, and not lose to a timing attack off 2 bases is all i ask > . >
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
On May 13 2013 19:07 Confuse wrote: wow, for some reason i thought snute was huge like incontrol. what a handsome fellow! I hope he can do better then revival, and not lose to a timing attack off 2 bases is all i ask > . >
You might be thinking of Targa, an other norvegian zerg.
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
On May 13 2013 19:07 Confuse wrote: wow, for some reason i thought snute was huge like incontrol. what a handsome fellow! I hope he can do better then revival, and not lose to a timing attack off 2 bases is all i ask > . >
you probably confused Snute with Targa here
Why did they call him Jens W.? I think his last name is Aasgaard, isn't it? Has he got a middle name that starts with W?
On May 13 2013 19:07 Confuse wrote: wow, for some reason i thought snute was huge like incontrol. what a handsome fellow! I hope he can do better then revival, and not lose to a timing attack off 2 bases is all i ask > . >
you probably confused Snute with Targa here
Why did they call him Jens W.? I think his last name is Aasgaard, isn't it? Has he got a middle name that starts with W?
On May 13 2013 19:07 Confuse wrote: wow, for some reason i thought snute was huge like incontrol. what a handsome fellow! I hope he can do better then revival, and not lose to a timing attack off 2 bases is all i ask > . >
you probably confused Snute with Targa here
Why did they call him Jens W.? I think his last name is Aasgaard, isn't it? Has he got a middle name that starts with W?
On May 13 2013 19:10 Pandemona wrote: Still can't get over how KESPA managed to get a sponsership deal done with Undefeated xD one of my favorite brand of clothes atm!
GARIMTO is/was the marketing manager for UNDFTD Korea. He managed to get a deal for UNDFTD to provide apparel for Woongjin Stars & Team 8
On May 13 2013 19:07 Confuse wrote: wow, for some reason i thought snute was huge like incontrol. what a handsome fellow! I hope he can do better then revival, and not lose to a timing attack off 2 bases is all i ask > . >
you probably confused Snute with Targa here
Why did they call him Jens W.? I think his last name is Aasgaard, isn't it? Has he got a middle name that starts with W?
Hold on, his last name is Aasgard? That is beyond awesome. He needs an epic beard now to complement.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
On May 13 2013 19:02 Musicus wrote: Sometomes proleague games just feel so off, like really weird and bad play sometimes. Maybe it's just because Flash, Innovation and Rain games etc are on such a high level so others seem bad. But really I feel like Snute or any good european zerg would've murdered Free last game.
You might have a clue what proleague vs Europeans looks now.
On May 13 2013 19:21 paradoxOO9 wrote: Would fast mutas work against this? If you hit before HT's I could see them doing a lot of damage
Some textbook muta corruptor (with the corruptors zoning out the phoenixes as per usual) could beat this potentially. So could a very well executed roach/hydra
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
LucifroN is probably the biggest contender for the title right now.
why is coach park experimenting with the lineup against woongjin stars? No matter how good snute is inhouse, it's his first PL match and nerves are going to come into play..
I haven't noticed the new Liquid shirts have way too slim font saying "L i q u i d" on the back. It's hardly readable on TV/stream. If someone watches for the first time and doesn't know what he's supposed to read there, won't be able to.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
LucifroN is probably the biggest contender for the title right now.
Yeah seems like the pressure got to Snute. Proleague is SC's oldest and most storied team league, I would be pretty freaked out as well for my first game as well.
That being said, I have no idea what he was thinking with that build. Did that really ever work in practice?!
On May 13 2013 19:21 paradoxOO9 wrote: Would fast mutas work against this? If you hit before HT's I could see them doing a lot of damage
Some textbook muta corruptor (with the corruptors zoning out the phoenixes as per usual) could beat this potentially. So could a very well executed roach/hydra
or you just do what Revival did: use Ling-Roach aggression to take an early lead. And then not screw up the follow-up by attacking the most fortified position with Hydras but instead abuse the mobility Nydus gives you
I don't get these mid-game SH transitions, I really don't. They never work, you can't make that switch without a good amount of static def and casters to turtle behind. SHs take far too long to amass to critical numbers to be viable this early, it leaves a giant gaping hole in your build where your army is fucking terrible and the protoss can just walk in and curbstomp you.
SHs are great, in the late game, in high numbers. Anywhere else, they suck.
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
LucifroN is probably the biggest contender for the title right now.
Snute isn't even a Top 3 European Zerg IMO. His ZvZ is Top 3 among foreigners (probably only matched by Sen and Scarlett) but his ZvP and ZvT have REALLY let him down at places like IEM.
On May 13 2013 19:24 HugzForL wrote: I feel like he never had a chance... maybe a mass roaches timing before the voidray production kicks in could work?
Imagine a burrow roach timing, similair to what Leenock did vs terran in WoL (double roach warren). Would destroy that protoss build!
On May 13 2013 19:14 EpiK wrote: so, is snute considered the best in the european scene currently? I've heard a lot of hype about him but haven't seen any of his games..
No, I wouldn't say he is. He hasn't done anything big since Homestory I think.
ESET UK Masters 2013: Season 1 1st Place
and some other stuff...
Ah, thanks! Still, I wouldn't say he's the no1 european.
LucifroN is probably the biggest contender for the title right now.
On May 13 2013 19:23 Wombat_NI wrote:I hope somebody kills Free soon, or at least don't send out a Zerg. His style he's showing here is rather boring to watch
Couldn't agree more.. Protoss lazor shows are so shit from a spectator's point of view
On May 13 2013 19:23 Wombat_NI wrote:I hope somebody kills Free soon, or at least don't send out a Zerg. His style he's showing here is rather boring to watch
Couldn't agree more.. Protoss lazor shows are so shit from a spectator's point of view
On May 13 2013 19:24 HugzForL wrote: I feel like he never had a chance... maybe a mass roaches timing before the voidray production kicks in could work?
That's what revival did and even though he did damage it still put him behind. Eventually you need to deal with the flying damagedealers ground to ground attacks only go so far.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
On May 13 2013 19:24 HugzForL wrote: I feel like he never had a chance... maybe a mass roaches timing before the voidray production kicks in could work?
What? He lost almost all his infestors before they dropped their eggs. I think if he wouldve correctly spawned them, he couldve crushed free. Its not like snute was doing this build randomly, im sure he tested it out vs the type of play free is doing. Too bad the nerves probably got to him and wasnt watching his infestors or something.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
They are better vs corruptors. Also nexus cannon helps secure an earlier third.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
On May 13 2013 19:21 Maasked wrote: I dont understand this EGTL swarmhost thing.... My opponent went void ray.. better build a unit that cant attack air..
It works well in combination with Vipers, Anti Air and Infestors for Fungal. If you make Vipers and don't throw away all your Infestor energy and half of your Infestors for an attack that wouldn't work even if your opponent was afk. I have seriously no idea what Snute tried there -_-
On May 13 2013 19:24 HugzForL wrote: I feel like he never had a chance... maybe a mass roaches timing before the voidray production kicks in could work?
That's what revival did and even though he did damage it still put him behind. Eventually you need to deal with the flying damagedealers ground to ground attacks only go so far.
Revival's attack was terrible.
He brought a nexus down to half hp, then pot shotted the core, then spread his units out to die to void rays. He should have done way more damage than he did. If he had done it right he may well have won the game from that advantage alone.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Voidrays are better in hots then in wol O_O.
Well, they don't deal extra damage vs non armored units anymore (charge over time), such as hydra. And hydras are supposed to be a counter to air unit, while moving faster than before. So, yes, I don't get it.
What the serious fuck are we watching between games. Is this normal/acceptable anywhere in the world? Is there somewhere in the world where this doesn't cause seizures and confusion?
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Voidrays are better in hots then in wol O_O.
Well, they don't deal extra damage vs non armored units anymore (charge over time), such as hydra. And hydras are supposed to be a counter to air unit, while moving faster than before. So, yes, I don't get it.
Yep, and the hydras lost because they werent there... hence Void Rays > Hydras! clear logic!
Both Revival and Snute got Swarmhosts after trying a bunch of stuff that did nothing. Since this unit relies on cannons to secure the 3rd, wouldn't it be better to get SH first to pressure and deny the 3rd, then get other stuff?
On May 13 2013 19:28 Beirut wrote: What the serious fuck are we watching between games. Is this normal/acceptable anywhere in the world? Is there somewhere in the world where this doesn't cause seizures and mass confusion?
I could put up with most of it but the flashing one is seriously convincing me to stop watching Proleague.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Voidrays are better in hots then in wol O_O.
Well, they don't deal extra damage vs non armored units anymore (charge over time), such as hydra. And hydras are supposed to be a counter to air unit, while moving faster than before. So, yes, I don't get it.
Their general DPS uncharged was also buffed (attack speed).
Apparently it is not good to slowly creep your burrowed infestors into a cannon wall with 10 voidrays camping above them.
Who would have thought...
Sometimes I just dont get how pro´s can mess things up that bad. Had he not scouted at all before attacked? He just blindly assumed that there would be detection? I mean there were cannons at all bases.
Funny that free did not even need to micro. Was probably watching his base when he noticed Snutes suicide run, "Well I guess I won"
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Voidrays are better in hots then in wol O_O.
Well, they don't deal extra damage vs non armored units anymore (charge over time), such as hydra. And hydras are supposed to be a counter to air unit, while moving faster than before. So, yes, I don't get it.
Voidrays got a flat damage increase as well as being better vs corruptors. In WoL making void rays was even worse than making hydras. So they definitely got better.
On May 13 2013 19:28 Beirut wrote: What the serious fuck are we watching between games. Is this normal/acceptable anywhere in the world? Is there somewhere in the world where this doesn't cause seizures and confusion?
On May 13 2013 19:24 HugzForL wrote: I feel like he never had a chance... maybe a mass roaches timing before the voidray production kicks in could work?
What? He lost almost all his infestors before they dropped their eggs. I think if he wouldve correctly spawned them, he couldve crushed free. Its not like snute was doing this build randomly, im sure he tested it out vs the type of play free is doing. Too bad the nerves probably got to him and wasnt watching his infestors or something.
He moved all of his Infestors into free's base and hoped that there would not be any detection. He also threw all these Infested Terrans with no backup whatsoever onto free's main army and hoped for .... I actually don't know whathe expected would happen.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Voidrays are better in hots then in wol O_O.
Well, they don't deal extra damage vs non armored units anymore (charge over time), such as hydra. And hydras are supposed to be a counter to air unit, while moving faster than before. So, yes, I don't get it.
You don't seem to realize perhaps that VR still do more DPS without the charge, because their default attack rate is higher than in WoL?
On May 13 2013 19:30 Daswollvieh wrote: Is an Iro for western commentators a thing in Korea? I´m looking at you Artosis-Whiplash. Maybe it´s some kind of contest, who can get the biggest?
Is anyone else super happy as a fanboy that free is STILL a PvZ monster? That's what he's known for. Battle micro and his once strong PvZ where he would make a big army and just roll over zergs (look at his series vs. Jaedong).
Oh, to any new Woongjin Stars fans, free is a stars legend. He's been pulling his team for years, almost a decade now. He was making mere $6000 a year while going out and winning two games for his team before the stars even got sponsored by Woongjin.
On May 13 2013 19:24 McBengt wrote: I don't get these mid-game SH transitions, I really don't. They never work, you can't make that switch without a good amount of static def and casters to turtle behind. SHs take far too long to amass to critical numbers to viable this early, it leaves a giant gaping hole in your build where your army is fucking terrible and the protoss can just walk in and curbstomp you.
SHs are great, in the late game, in high numbers. Anywhere else, they suck.
hear hear.
i thought snute was gonna IT-bust the natural wall and run lings in, too. but he just did this weird frontal attack that was never going to work.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Well, one thing that's different is Prismatic alignment. That ability makes them counter corruptors pretty hard, and corruptors used to be a great counter to void rays in WoL, I think.
On May 13 2013 19:33 heartagram wrote: So is EG - TL eliminated from playoffs? I haven't heard anything about it.
Still pretty funny they were the "#1" team in the preseason power rankings, and they finished dead last...
To be fair, the prediction was sound, based on the fact that they had years of experience and SC2 skill over their opponents. KeSPA teams just gave zero fucks.
On May 13 2013 19:33 heartagram wrote: So is EG - TL eliminated from playoffs? I haven't heard anything about it.
Still pretty funny they were the "#1" team in the preseason power rankings, and they finished dead last...
To be fair, the prediction was sound, based on the fact that they had years of experience and SC2 skill over their opponents. KeSPA teams just gave zero fucks.
Also, the strongest player on EG-TL has not been able to properly play and practice for a long time now.
On May 13 2013 19:33 heartagram wrote: So is EG - TL eliminated from playoffs? I haven't heard anything about it.
Still pretty funny they were the "#1" team in the preseason power rankings, and they finished dead last...
sadly no one told Fionn that their 2 best players only felt like playing in under 50% of the games
ain't that the dude that put Polt at #1 in the Dreamhack power ranking? Is he trolling or what? Who in the hell would think EG TL is the best team in PL.
And are you talking about Taeja and Hero? They don't exactly do well in the games they play.. 50% winrate
On May 13 2013 19:33 heartagram wrote: So is EG - TL eliminated from playoffs? I haven't heard anything about it.
Still pretty funny they were the "#1" team in the preseason power rankings, and they finished dead last...
While it sorta made sense in the start, the korean training got vastly got underrated. The way i saw it was to see if they could score enough points before they got caught up. A team that has players flying all over the world the whole time will simply never be as good in this kind of league system compared to players that stay in 1 place to practice with each other the whole time.
On May 13 2013 19:32 pink_moon wrote: Is anyone else super happy as a fanboy that free is STILL a PvZ monster? That's what he's known for. Battle micro and his once strong PvZ where he would make a big army and just roll over zergs (look at his series vs. Jaedong).
Oh, to any new Woongjin Stars fans, free is a stars legend. He's been pulling his team for years, almost a decade now. He was making mere $6000 a year while going out and winning two games for his team before the stars even got sponsored by Woongjin.
On May 13 2013 19:25 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get how this mass voidrays works. They are worst than what they were in WoL whereas hydra are better. Wtf is going on with this metagame?
Well, one thing that's different is Prismatic alignment. That ability makes them counter corruptors pretty hard, and corruptors used to be a great counter to void rays in WoL, I think.
Corruptors were bad against void rays in WoL too, just not quite as bad. What changed was that infestors in WoL would shit all over VRs so hard it wasn't even funny, 3/3 ITs and instant fungals = lulz.
Edit: Can't fucking spell today, it's all Wombat's fault.
On May 13 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote: Apparently it is not good to slowly creep your burrowed infestors into a cannon wall with 10 voidrays camping above them.
Who would have thought...
Sometimes I just dont get how pro´s can mess things up that bad. Had he not scouted at all before attacked? He just blindly assumed that there would be detection? I mean there were cannons at all bases.
Funny that free did not even need to micro. Was probably watching his base when he noticed Snutes suicide run, "Well I guess I won"
Lol yes. This attack... even IF there was randomly no detection, the IT's would just evaporate because they were spammed into the middle of free's entire army and then he has no energy and it was still a pointless attack.
Free had long-term plans but then he was like "oh well, might just kill him now".
On May 13 2013 19:41 Jacmert wrote: If only Liquid had a player who was able to carry the team and pull off reverse all-kills over, and over, and over again.
On May 13 2013 19:33 heartagram wrote: So is EG - TL eliminated from playoffs? I haven't heard anything about it.
Still pretty funny they were the "#1" team in the preseason power rankings, and they finished dead last...
sadly no one told Fionn that their 2 best players only felt like playing in under 50% of the games
ain't that the dude that put Polt at #1 in the Dreamhack power ranking? Is he trolling or what? Who in the hell would think EG TL is the best team in PL.
And are you talking about Taeja and Hero? They don't exactly do well in the games they play.. 50% winrate
On May 13 2013 19:41 Jacmert wrote: If only Liquid had a player who was able to carry the team and pull off reverse all-kills over, and over, and over again.
On May 13 2013 19:41 Jacmert wrote: If only Liquid had a player who was able to carry the team and pull off reverse all-kills over, and over, and over again.
Please send out Taeja.
I say its quite obvious coach Park knows they are lost and just gives players as much booth experience as possible.
On May 13 2013 19:42 corumjhaelen wrote: Free is also the true inventor of Artosis pylon, way back before Artosis. I even call them Free pylon, cause I'm an elitist asshole !
On May 13 2013 19:44 Ragnarork wrote: Why on earth did I put free in my anti. I mean... what the fuck .. ?
When I did that my thought was that sOs, Soulkey, Light, would be more likely to come out and ZerO and Flying were equally if not more likely to come out...
Learning experience of -20 to come I think, haha >_>
On May 13 2013 19:32 pink_moon wrote: Is anyone else super happy as a fanboy that free is STILL a PvZ monster? That's what he's known for. Battle micro and his once strong PvZ where he would make a big army and just roll over zergs (look at his series vs. Jaedong).
Oh, to any new Woongjin Stars fans, free is a stars legend. He's been pulling his team for years, almost a decade now. He was making mere $6000 a year while going out and winning two games for his team before the stars even got sponsored by Woongjin.
While this game fascinates me, I admit it's not one of the absolute best ever played. free's micro was incredibly sloppy at times. Jaedong's decision-making was poor in many places and incredibly passive.
This game also is valuable because it demonstrates one thing free was (and occasionally still is) known for: unstoppable late-game play against Zerg.
~BD, not just for BisuDagger but for BroodWar Doctor
On May 13 2013 19:41 Jacmert wrote: If only Liquid had a player who was able to carry the team and pull off reverse all-kills over, and over, and over again.
On May 13 2013 19:44 Ragnarork wrote: Why on earth did I put free in my anti. I mean... what the fuck .. ?
When I did that my thought was that sOs, Soulkey, Light, would be more likely to come out and ZerO and Flying were equally if not more likely to come out...
Learning experience of -20 to come I think, haha >_>
I had the exact same thought process. Hilarity ensues...
Seriously, I didn't even care that WJS got wins, I truly thought he'll never get to play in the all kill format...
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
But someone made the folly of putting EG-TL first in the preseason ranking...
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
Well ACE had an excuse, being older players with limited practice time. EGTL has equal prep time and way more SC2 experience but just suck.
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
Well isn't ACE like the team for people in the army? Correct me if i am wrong, never followed BW till 2012. If so i doubt they got much practice time.
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
Well ACE had an excuse, being older players with limited practice time. EGTL has equal prep time and way more SC2 experience but just suck.
Can't believe Snute just wasting all his infestor energy without a clear fungal. He barely weakened the shields of Free's army, and then couldn't defend up a base.
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
Difference is that ACE had a lot of old players that once had been really top player also ACE players had little time practicing so no one expected them to win
Was really looking forward to this series too i thought we might get to see all the big boys play xD sOs Soulkey Flying vs aLive Oz Jaedong Hero Taeja....but alas we never got to see it
Look at the pattern for EG-TL's losses. So often players (revival and jyp especially) fuck up good positions in the opening game and EG-TL has no momentum. If you think that this doesn't affect the other players, you are dreaming. Ever played a team sport...? -_-
HerO and snute didn't play well but how you can blame HerO for choosing a build that was hard-countered? Sure, it wasn't a good build but he hardly chose that on the spur of the moment. They have coaches, you know. If you're going to do well in this league, you have to close out games.
How the fuck is JD gonna win against this skytoss combo sans early ling/bane bust...? JD's style relies way too much on throwing units away until something breaks...
On May 13 2013 19:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Argh, so much whine. Somebody has to come last in Proleague after all, and I appreciate that EGTL are out over there.
Its sad there is no ACE anymore, no one blamed them for being last and when they won, everyone was happy.
Well isn't ACE like the team for people in the army? Correct me if i am wrong, never followed BW till 2012. If so i doubt they got much practice time.
Ye, i know, its just there was a special place in PL, now it became EGTL place, and there is no real excuse, cause ACE got one.
EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
On May 13 2013 19:59 metzninja wrote: Look at the pattern for EG-TL's losses. So often players (revival and jyp especially) fuck up good positions in the opening game and EG-TL has no momentum. If you think that this doesn't affect the other players, you are dreaming. Ever played a team sport...? -_-
HerO and snute didn't play well but how you can blame HerO for choosing a build that was hard-countered? Sure, it wasn't a good build but he hardly chose that on the spur of the moment. They have coaches, you know. If you're going to do well in this league, you have to close out games.
With this logic they might as well play a Bo1. Yea it will effect some players but it shouldn't be an excuse.
On May 13 2013 20:00 ymir233 wrote: How the fuck is JD gonna win against this skytoss combo sans early ling/bane bust...? JD's style relies way too much on throwing units away until something breaks...
because unlike revival he might be able to figure out how to win after sneaking 8 roaches and lings into the main + killing the 3rd. (running hydras into 5 cannons and void rays is NOT the answer)
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
They won't stop competing. If anything the practice is really paying off for their players and that's what they'll get in return.
On May 13 2013 20:04 bgx wrote: JD is accustomed to pressure from OZ times, too bad he is maybe like half a player in sc2 compared to how he was on OZ.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
I doubt they bought all those koreans just for one season of proleague
On May 13 2013 20:02 Laryleprakon wrote: Disappointing picks from EG-TL :/
I wonder how many people will actually question Coach Park. People seemed so fast to blame the players for the losses and say that "Coach Park had to do with what he had : sloppy players" but in this case... ?
Thats very stupid vs Free. Free and Much were probably the most resilient Protosses to Agressive openings in Broodwar. If i remmber right, they used to practice only build order loss situations to get the hardest situations possible.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
On May 13 2013 20:02 Laryleprakon wrote: Disappointing picks from EG-TL :/
I wonder how many people will actually question Coach Park. People seemed so fast to blame the players for the losses and say that "Coach Park had to do with what he had : sloppy players" but in this case... ?
I am confused by Coach Park decision...
We'll see how it turns out...
I think he knows that they have lost and is just trying to build up confidence for the next season.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
They won't stop competing. If anything the practice is really paying off for their players and that's what they'll get in return.
How is the practice paying off? JD would have been way better off on T8 and none of their players are performing any better
On May 13 2013 20:02 Laryleprakon wrote: Disappointing picks from EG-TL :/
I wonder how many people will actually question Coach Park. People seemed so fast to blame the players for the losses and say that "Coach Park had to do with what he had : sloppy players" but in this case... ?
I am confused by Coach Park decision...
We'll see how it turns out...
I think he knows that they have lost and is just trying to build up confidence for the next season.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
Yeah they really went all out on those uniforms.
Doesn't cost simply joining Proleague money? All they did now was using it as advertising.
i wanted to put my alarm on 10.30 to catch the whole match but i missed it :> just got up and saw stream was still online on TL and thought "oh cool it cant be 4-0 if theyre still playing now" T_T
On May 13 2013 20:02 Laryleprakon wrote: Disappointing picks from EG-TL :/
I wonder how many people will actually question Coach Park. People seemed so fast to blame the players for the losses and say that "Coach Park had to do with what he had : sloppy players" but in this case... ?
I am confused by Coach Park decision...
We'll see how it turns out...
I think he knows that they have lost and is just trying to build up confidence for the next season.
i dont think there will be a next season for egtl, taeja,hero,jd etc to NA cauz of wcs
On May 13 2013 20:02 Laryleprakon wrote: Disappointing picks from EG-TL :/
I wonder how many people will actually question Coach Park. People seemed so fast to blame the players for the losses and say that "Coach Park had to do with what he had : sloppy players" but in this case... ?
I am confused by Coach Park decision...
We'll see how it turns out...
It looks more like they don't think they can make the play offs and are just giving people experience/letting others not have to practice for pro league.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
They won't stop competing. If anything the practice is really paying off for their players and that's what they'll get in return.
How is the practice paying off? JD would have been way better off on T8 and none of their players are performing any better
The practice environment is better than no practice environment? Also Jaedong made 2nd place at Dreamhack whereas he wouldn't even have been there playing for 8th. For people like Revival, Alive and Oz who wouldn't have had an environment at all this is paying off hugely.
On May 13 2013 20:02 Laryleprakon wrote: Disappointing picks from EG-TL :/
I wonder how many people will actually question Coach Park. People seemed so fast to blame the players for the losses and say that "Coach Park had to do with what he had : sloppy players" but in this case... ?
I am confused by Coach Park decision...
We'll see how it turns out...
I think he knows that they have lost and is just trying to build up confidence for the next season.
By getting all-killed?
I never said it was a good decision but sometimes it works (remember Hero vs Rain?)
On May 13 2013 20:07 Killmouse wrote: taeja hero alive jd every PL match GG why dont they do that ß.ß
Because every kespa team would just snipe taeja, hero, alive jaedong every PL match?
But it works so well for Prime ^_~
to be fair, what else do you expect Prime to do?
Atm just wait for the trade lock to end and grab decent Kespa contracts, but they were a really team once they could have built on that with giving newer players more exposure so today they have more than four players.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
They won't stop competing. If anything the practice is really paying off for their players and that's what they'll get in return.
How is the practice paying off? JD would have been way better off on T8 and none of their players are performing any better
I don't really get why JD would necessarily have been better off at Team8. Perhaps he might have, perhaps he's reinvigorated by a stay at a foreign team and going to foreign events.
JD is looking better of late, (aside from ZvZ which has been good pretty much since he switched) so he must have found the motivation and partners to practice from somewhere.
Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway.
As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
don't be blind, everyone knows why they are doing that, and developing the resume from replay thing is 100% more cost efficient for them then letting piracy/second-hand market happen.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
On May 13 2013 20:01 Wombat_NI wrote: EGTL have had their fair share of fuckups this season, but they're not getting humped every single tie. Looking forward to next season to see if they can up their game.
HerO chose badly there, in fairness, but he's been pretty faultless in PvP lately with his decision-making, you can't get it right all the time.
I honestly would be surprised if they stick around for another Proleague season. The only scenario I see that occurring is if Proleague and GSTL merge in some way and it creates some hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Proleague has been a huge money pit for EG-TL.
They won't stop competing. If anything the practice is really paying off for their players and that's what they'll get in return.
How is the practice paying off? JD would have been way better off on T8 and none of their players are performing any better
I don't really get why JD would necessarily have been better off at Team8. Perhaps he might have, perhaps he's reinvigorated by a stay at a foreign team and going to foreign events.
JD is looking better of late, (aside from ZvZ which has been good pretty much since he switched) so he must have found the motivation and partners to practice from somewhere.
People have this ridiculous idea that when koreans join EG they stop practicing and just sit around or play LoL. Nevermind that JD is one of the hardest working people in all of esports, know for his insane practice regime.
Newsflash, Jaedong still lives in Korea and practices with other really good koreans under a korean coach, regardless of what the logo is on his shirt. If anything, Jaedong having the stability and financial backing of a very well-financed team can only help.
Edit: what the fuck, Wombat, seriously, stop making me type like a caveman.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway.
As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there.
Yes, definitely superior, but i wonder, how much less dc's would we get overall if they were just playing on lan. I know it is an amazing feature, but dosen't make sense, when you could just provide local servers to atleast WCS partners.
Btw, don't know why 90% of the GSL and SPL casters are americans when you see the level of their players and the number of EU viewers. It could be cool to have more europeans like Khaldor to avoid the "we" when they talk about america or make cultural references (like baseball, american TV show or thing that are just only known by americans).
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway.
As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
I am not sure if you heard, but when IEM was running pre-HOTS, Blizzard provided local servers for that tournament. There was a catch however - each server had to be guarded by two armed guys all the time. I doubt anyone would go into that every time he wants to do tourney.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway.
As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there.
Yes, definitely superior, but i wonder, how much less dc's would we get overall if they were just playing on lan. I know it is an amazing feature, but dosen't make sense, when you could just provide local servers to atleast WCS partners.
On May 13 2013 20:26 Wertheron wrote: Btw, don't know why 90% of the GSL and SPL casters are americans when you see the level of their players and the number of EU viewers. It could be cool to have more europeans like Khaldor to avoid the "we" when they talk about america or make cultural references (like baseball, american TV show or thing that are just only known by americans).
well, i'd say they are mostly americans because english is their first language and the US has a much bigger scene (and population) than the UK or Australia
People please, don't act like you didn't know why Blizzard doesn't allow lan. You can bash them all you want, or criticize their business policy, but please be aware that it's the choice they've made to fight against piracy and second-hand market. There's no going back on this one.
On May 13 2013 20:26 Wertheron wrote: Btw, don't know why 90% of the GSL and SPL casters are americans when you see the level of their players and the number of EU viewers. It could be cool to have more europeans like Khaldor to avoid the "we" when they talk about america or make cultural references (like baseball, american TV show or thing that are just only known by americans).
On May 13 2013 20:26 Wertheron wrote: Btw, don't know why 90% of the GSL and SPL casters are americans when you see the level of their players and the number of EU viewers. It could be cool to have more europeans like Khaldor to avoid the "we" when they talk about america or make cultural references (like baseball, american TV show or thing that are just only known by americans).
I was thinking this as well. It also makes sense to have more european casters since the majority of viewers are europeans at this time anyways.
On May 13 2013 20:26 Wertheron wrote: Btw, don't know why 90% of the GSL and SPL casters are americans when you see the level of their players and the number of EU viewers. It could be cool to have more europeans like Khaldor to avoid the "we" when they talk about america or make cultural references (like baseball, american TV show or thing that are just only known by americans).
I was thinking this as well. It also makes sense to have more european casters since the majority of viewers are europeans at this time anyways.
Finding casters without horrible accents and a varied vocabulary is hard enough as it is I think. Personally I prefer a nice, neutral US accent over everything else, although UK can be decent also. Most non-native speakers don't have the language skills to cast in english.
On May 11 2013 16:11 Aerisky wrote: He just won a ZvP holy shit yesss!!!
Jaedong is 54-53 in ZvP... people just like to make fools out of themselves it seems.
I'd be more interested in a Kor vs Kor winrate. Fair bit of foreigner bashing mixed in there I'm sure.
What matters is that JD himself doesn't think he has bad ZvP, he is confident and says it's above average, only his televised matches often looked bad so far.
Why're they saying it was starsense? Seemed more like JD went blind allin whilst sOs just... reacted when the lings showed up - his opening was pretty standard.
Oh well, atleast EGTL can play the rest of the season without any pressure. They can use this oppertunity to let the players get more confortable with broadcast matches.
On May 13 2013 20:53 snafoo wrote: Why're they saying it was starsense? Seemed more like JD went blind allin whilst sOs just... reacted when the lings showed up - his opening was pretty standard.
They didn't talk about sOs. They talked about JD's star sense and great build in this game.
On May 13 2013 20:53 snafoo wrote: Why're they saying it was starsense? Seemed more like JD went blind allin whilst sOs just... reacted when the lings showed up - his opening was pretty standard.
They didn't talk about sOs. They talked about JD's star sense and great build in this game.
They also said that sOs displayed great starsense and that noone ever walls off with gateway opening...
Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
On May 13 2013 20:56 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
On May 13 2013 20:53 snafoo wrote: Why're they saying it was starsense? Seemed more like JD went blind allin whilst sOs just... reacted when the lings showed up - his opening was pretty standard.
They didn't talk about sOs. They talked about JD's star sense and great build in this game.
They also said that sOs displayed great starsense and that noone ever walls off with gateway opening...
On May 13 2013 20:56 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
He is injured.
That didn't stop him from playing any individual leagues.
On May 13 2013 20:56 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
He is injured.
That didn't stop him playing any individual leagues.
On May 13 2013 20:56 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
He is injured.
That didn't stop him playing any individual leagues.
On May 13 2013 20:56 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
He is injured.
That didn't stop him playing any individual leagues.
On May 13 2013 20:56 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Without Taeja, they can't do too well. Taeja is kind of like a freelancer, he only plays when he wants to. Teamliquid must have a different contract with him than HerO.
He is injured.
That didn't stop him playing any individual leagues.
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
See it depends where you're looking at.
If you're only looking at GSL, then sure.
But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time.
Puzzle will be back, he really is the archetypal 'solid' Protoss player, and he's back in a good practice environment. Even when the SlayerS shit was at its peak he still put in solid performances in GSTL.
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
See it depends where you're looking at.
If you're only looking at GSL, then sure.
But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time.
Alicia's hype in 2011 was from the Super Tournament; I don't think YongHwa or First really got any hype in 2011.
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
See it depends where you're looking at.
If you're only looking at GSL, then sure.
But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time.
lol exactly.. they got 2nd place in foreign tourneys but thats about it The actual good ones like Liquid Hero multiple tournaments
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
See it depends where you're looking at.
If you're only looking at GSL, then sure.
But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time.
Alicia's hype in 2011 was from the Super Tournament; I don't think YongHwa or First really got any hype in 2011.
Alicia hype dates back to at least GSL May, where Artosis called him the best PvT on the planet after sweeping the group with fan favourites NaDa and MarineKing.
All of the IM Protosses have been hyped due to one thing or another that Artosis saw (on ladder or in GSTL) or heard (about their practice winrates) even as far as back as the period I mentioned, just not in a big way. He predicted them to break out as the next big Protoss player, which took about a year to come to fruition (except for Ready, who has not yet accomplished anything noteworthy)
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
See it depends where you're looking at.
If you're only looking at GSL, then sure.
But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time.
lol exactly.. they got 2nd place in foreign tourneys but thats about it The actual good ones like Liquid Hero multiple tournaments
Let's not forget HerO was also one of those hyped up, up-and-coming players ever since he was on oGs, as long as half a year before he actually won anything. But yeah, he's one of the few who truly delivered.
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance.
That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well.
Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/
nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype:
-Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc)
See it depends where you're looking at.
If you're only looking at GSL, then sure.
But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time.
lol exactly.. they got 2nd place in foreign tourneys but thats about it The actual good ones like Liquid Hero multiple tournaments
To be fair, if you look at the number of foreign events they have been to compare with HerO, their results stack up very well with HerO.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway.
As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there.
Yes, definitely superior, but i wonder, how much less dc's would we get overall if they were just playing on lan. I know it is an amazing feature, but dosen't make sense, when you could just provide local servers to atleast WCS partners.
Maybe I didn't say that clearly enough. Restart from replay is superior in some way. LAN is superior in other (fewer disconnects and a lot less lag). But I guess LAN vs Restart is like SC2 vs SC:BW.
On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments.
Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway.
As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there.
Yes, definitely superior, but i wonder, how much less dc's would we get overall if they were just playing on lan. I know it is an amazing feature, but dosen't make sense, when you could just provide local servers to atleast WCS partners.
Maybe I didn't say that clearly enough. Restart from replay is superior in some way. LAN is superior in other (fewer disconnects and a lot less lag). But I guess LAN vs Restart is like SC2 vs SC:BW.
You can and should ideally have both.
Having LAN capability would allow a pro match to carry on completely unhindered even if one of the players' PCs ends up randomly disconnecting from Battle.net or even the Internet altogether. It would also get rid of dropping issues by casters that are, again, due to BNet or their connection not being up to par.
On May 13 2013 23:31 nimdil wrote: Ideally there would be law prohibiting on-line requirement for features of any video game that - logically - does not require it.
In an ideal world that'd be great. So frustrating when you can't even play single-player only parts nowadays without being online. Happy birthday as well man!
The only reason free is doing well is because I picked him for my anti team. You are welcome free. Happy Snute was sent out though I have to go back and watch that later.
On May 13 2013 23:31 nimdil wrote: Ideally there would be law prohibiting on-line requirement for features of any video game that - logically - does not require it.
i guess ideally there would also be no piracy haha
hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that..
Puzzle was a solid player for a long time, up until he left for LoL, and now that's he on KT, we may see more of him still.
You can't really call Puzzle mediocre though. He's always been a sick teamleague player, as well as a very solid player in the GSL (back to back Ro8). He also the only Protoss Code A champion, so while MC was the Protoss President, Puzzle was the Protoss Vice President.
The only reason why Puzzle had so few foreign tournament results was because he almost never went to compete at foreign tournaments (which is really sad, and probably will continue now that he's on Kespa). He went to NASL 3, got invited to Red Bull LAN but couldn't make it, and other than that, there weren't many LAN appearances outside Korea while he was on Slayers.
On May 13 2013 23:31 nimdil wrote: Ideally there would be law prohibiting on-line requirement for features of any video game that - logically - does not require it.
i guess ideally there would also be no piracy haha
Ideally, everything will be free, so no need for piracy.
On May 13 2013 23:31 nimdil wrote: Ideally there would be law prohibiting on-line requirement for features of any video game that - logically - does not require it.
i guess ideally there would also be no piracy haha
Ideally, everything will be free, so no need for piracy.
On May 14 2013 08:26 awu25 wrote: Are there spectators in the studio? Going to Korea soon, and would like to catch matches on either Monday or Tuesday.
I hear there's a dozen hobos that sometimes hang around.
On May 14 2013 08:26 awu25 wrote: Are there spectators in the studio? Going to Korea soon, and would like to catch matches on either Monday or Tuesday.
I hear there's a dozen hobos that sometimes hang around.
Uhhh not sure if serious? I don't have a twitch subscription so I can't see the VODs to see if there's a studio audience...
On May 14 2013 08:26 awu25 wrote: Are there spectators in the studio? Going to Korea soon, and would like to catch matches on either Monday or Tuesday.
I hear there's a dozen hobos that sometimes hang around.
Uhhh not sure if serious? I don't have a twitch subscription so I can't see the VODs to see if there's a studio audience...
I was joking. Yes, there's an audience, but it's usually not a big one. Not nearly as big (or as fanatical) as in the BW days.
On May 14 2013 08:26 awu25 wrote: Are there spectators in the studio? Going to Korea soon, and would like to catch matches on either Monday or Tuesday.
I hear there's a dozen hobos that sometimes hang around.
Uhhh not sure if serious? I don't have a twitch subscription so I can't see the VODs to see if there's a studio audience...
I was joking. Yes, there's an audience, but it's usually not a big one. Not nearly as big (or as fanatical) as in the BW days.
Thanks for the answer. Not really concerned about the crowd size, just want to go watch and possibly get pictures with the players.
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