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On May 09 2013 02:47 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:45 Markwerf wrote:On May 09 2013 02:42 Bagi wrote:On May 09 2013 02:41 Markwerf wrote:
babyknight's composition doesn't work Ok. lol Grubby screwed up so badly. It's a really easy composition to beat, you just stop around 4-5 colossi and a-move in. Tempests are virtually dead weight after killing colossi. Grubby however had a horrible position and his colossi were walking backwards, it's the same when vikings/corruptors somehow force colossi back. You lose badly because they didn't do their damage before dying Won't your Archon/Zealot ball roll everything that's left after the Tempests kill the colossi? Seems like it's a matter of positioning and micro to get more shots off, but that's not the same as it being awful.
Grubby could easily have just as much archon/zealot with equal or better upgrades.
Tempests don't work well because they have a hefty investment cost (fleet beacon is super expensive) and the side with colossi is better off than the player with tempests really. Grubby just played stupid by going into double robo and not transitioning into zealot/archon himself.
Double robo is risky in PvP now, it's good in robo wars but seeing a robo doesn't mean at all that the other will actually commit to colossi like happened here. Grubby just played really bad strategically after he was into a good lead. This happens often when I see Grubby though, a tactical and not a strategical player.
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On May 09 2013 02:51 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:50 Godwrath wrote:On May 09 2013 02:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
So Stephano v. Grubby can only happen if Stephano goes down to BabyK right? Yep. Well, too bad we won't be seeing that match.
That depends, Grubby has to beat krass too.
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On May 09 2013 02:46 Azarkon wrote:Lore check - Why did Protoss develop the Tempest? To fight Zerg and Terran.What did the Tempest end up being useful for? Protoss vs. Protoss.
To be fair, part of the reason why they're not used ZvP is because holy SHIT are void rays good against Zerg. Don't really need tempests! And even the threat of Tempests basically removes the Broodlord as anything other than a very niche unit against Toss. They don't even need to build them, just their existence in the game means that BL ZvP is basically dead.
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Yay Babyknight. Cool play.
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On May 09 2013 02:55 windowlicker wrote:
Yay Babyknight. Cool play.
We saw it anyway =)
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God dat warfield music.
"You bitch, you are not even human anymore."
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On May 09 2013 02:54 VikingKong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:46 Azarkon wrote:Lore check - Why did Protoss develop the Tempest? To fight Zerg and Terran.What did the Tempest end up being useful for? Protoss vs. Protoss. To be fair, part of the reason why they're not used ZvP is because holy SHIT are void rays good against Zerg. Don't really need tempests! And even the threat of Tempests basically removes the Broodlord as anything other than a very niche unit against Toss. They don't even need to build them, just their existence in the game means that BL ZvP is basically dead.
Lol what? Alrighty then xD
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On May 09 2013 02:48 Boucot wrote:Perfect
Hup hup Holl... hehehehe.
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On May 09 2013 02:54 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:51 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 09 2013 02:50 Godwrath wrote:On May 09 2013 02:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
So Stephano v. Grubby can only happen if Stephano goes down to BabyK right? Yep. Well, too bad we won't be seeing that match. That depends, Grubby has to beat krass too.
I am reasonably confident about Stephano beating Babyk, not as much as 6 months ago but enough to give that prediction. I think KrasS has a better opportunity against Grubby but it isn't exceptional. BabyK is really capable of upsets though, so I have to allow for upsets.
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On May 09 2013 02:55 windowlicker wrote:
Yay Babyknight. Cool play.
made my day.. :D
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wow, I just had a total brain failure. I was taking a quick shower after the Grubby-BabyKnight series and when I came back I thought: "hey, let's check if a game of the Winners' Match was played already. Let's check the op, I can see the results there..... errrrrrrrr...."
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On May 09 2013 02:58 Yello wrote:
wow, I just had a total brain failure. I was taking a quick shower after the Grubby-BabyKnight series and when I came back I thought: "hey, let's check if a game of the Winners' Match was played already. Let's check the op, I can see the results there..... errrrrrrrr...."
Ha ha, thanks for doing quite a few of these LRs recently!
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On May 09 2013 02:58 Yello wrote:
wow, I just had a total brain failure. I was taking a quick shower after the Grubby-BabyKnight series and when I came back I thought: "hey, let's check if a game of the Winners' Match was played already. Let's check the op, I can see the results there..... errrrrrrrr...."
Yeah..about that..
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On May 09 2013 02:49 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:45 crappen wrote:
I just dont get Grubby's decision making. Can anyone explain it? What goes on in the mind of a professional? He probably never faced 2 base with tech to fleet beacon. Probably never faced tempest in PvP. Because you definitely don't go mass collosus. He even pulled back his collosus during the fight which was a big mistake. Tempest can continue siege-ing the Collosus. He should have just brought his Collosus to fight and at least cleared BK ground army. But that was some cute play by BK. Grubby probably was dumbfounded by that build.
Don't know if you watch Grubby's stream, but a surprisingly high number of his pvps end up with HT/tempest wars (relative to most players), so he definitely should know what to do. But you're right, he played that game out reallly bad. If he could replay that I'm sure he would do something completely different
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ZvP is stephano's mistress, sure that he could get a 4-0 sweep
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What bad joke did Babyknight make?
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On May 09 2013 02:52 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:45 Markwerf wrote:On May 09 2013 02:42 Bagi wrote:On May 09 2013 02:41 Markwerf wrote:
babyknight's composition doesn't work Ok. lol Grubby screwed up so badly. It's a really easy composition to beat, you just stop around 4-5 colossi and a-move in. Tempests are virtually dead weight after killing colossi. Grubby however had a horrible position and his colossi were walking backwards, it's the same when vikings/corruptors somehow force colossi back. You lose badly because they didn't do their damage before dying You can have 4 tempests (16 supply) and they will deal with 6 colossi (36 supply) way faster than 12 corruptors (24 supply) and then you will still have the bigger ground army even after the colossi dealt full damage. Also the tempest won't die compared to corruptors and are at least a little bit useful after the colossi are dead compared to corruptors.
Tempests are only a bit better than corruptors actually. 2 corruptors cost the exact same as 1 tempest and do pretty much the same DPS (if you're using corrupt which is easy on colossi). HP is also quite similar, though tempests are obviously better once the colossi have died.
Tempests take a long time to make though and have a heavier investment cost, Grubby should have exploited that by using his range colossi earlier and/or expanding faster.
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Just came in, how was Stephano vs KrasS?
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Ugh Akilon ZvP @___@. good opportunity for BabyK to start out strong.
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