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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 06 2013 10:05 GMT
#181
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?


because they have about ten HP
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 06 2013 10:06 GMT
#182
On May 06 2013 19:03 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:01 Thrillz wrote:
Funny thing is, if Hero went Colossi first, he probably could of got a second colossi out during the battle and might of held. Or if he went Robo before 3rd stargate.

I think the pressure from Soulkey would have come earlier then.


Soulkey wouldn't of known that, I think his overseer only saw the stargate in the main, but didn't scout the 3rd stargate that was added at the nat. I think Soulkey just hit THE PERFECT timing.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 06 2013 10:07 GMT
#183
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?

From this point in the game ? What I said applies in the case you do this kind of early pressure versus the zerg and switch to skytoss. After this, oracles aren't going to do much to secure your skytoss army.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 10:11:52
May 06 2013 10:10 GMT
#184
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?

dont worry Blizzard will buff Oracle until everyone loves it, same for other HotS units
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 06 2013 10:10 GMT
#185
On May 06 2013 19:06 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:03 samurai80 wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:01 Thrillz wrote:
Funny thing is, if Hero went Colossi first, he probably could of got a second colossi out during the battle and might of held. Or if he went Robo before 3rd stargate.

I think the pressure from Soulkey would have come earlier then.


Soulkey wouldn't of known that, I think his overseer only saw the stargate in the main, but didn't scout the 3rd stargate that was added at the nat. I think Soulkey just hit THE PERFECT timing.

Yeah Soulkey dealt with the skytoss nightmare perfectly. This is why I was thinking about what protoss should have done against such a good counter. HTs+zealots instead of colossi, and then tempests maybe ?
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
May 06 2013 10:11 GMT
#186
Let's do this effOrt!
sAviOr...
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 06 2013 10:12 GMT
#187
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?

They are something like Mutas, except that they have high dps against Light units, cost more and can't attack air, but they are terrible in direct engagements because of their low range, so if the guy has 20 Hydras, about 3 Oracles will die before they even attack. And he had mixed Hydras with Queens, and Oracles can't beat that many Queens.

Right now, Oracles are just early game harass units, and may be used later for Revelation, but this might change with the next patch, because Oracles will be the same speed of Mutas.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 06 2013 10:12 GMT
#188
On May 06 2013 19:07 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?

From this point in the game ? What I said applies in the case you do this kind of early pressure versus the zerg and switch to skytoss. After this, oracles aren't going to do much to secure your skytoss army.


4 oracles in that mix, losing a voidray or two, would kill all them hydras np
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 06 2013 10:13 GMT
#189
On May 06 2013 19:05 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?


because they have about ten HP

Yes, 100 HP and 60 shield is really low...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
May 06 2013 10:13 GMT
#190
zvzvzvz
yo
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 06 2013 10:14 GMT
#191
Grumpkey imo
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 06 2013 10:17 GMT
#192
Nydus pls
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 06 2013 10:18 GMT
#193
On May 06 2013 19:10 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:06 Thrillz wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:03 samurai80 wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:01 Thrillz wrote:
Funny thing is, if Hero went Colossi first, he probably could of got a second colossi out during the battle and might of held. Or if he went Robo before 3rd stargate.

I think the pressure from Soulkey would have come earlier then.


Soulkey wouldn't of known that, I think his overseer only saw the stargate in the main, but didn't scout the 3rd stargate that was added at the nat. I think Soulkey just hit THE PERFECT timing.

Yeah Soulkey dealt with the skytoss nightmare perfectly. This is why I was thinking about what protoss should have done against such a good counter. HTs+zealots instead of colossi, and then tempests maybe ?


Templars would work too, but he didn't have the gas or archives. If he went Robo before 3rd stargate and immediately Colossi he holds.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 06 2013 10:18 GMT
#194
well, fuck
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
May 06 2013 10:18 GMT
#195
Well fuck.
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
May 06 2013 10:18 GMT
#196
--- Nuked ---
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 06 2013 10:19 GMT
#197
It's the traditional run everything into spienwall and die build
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
May 06 2013 10:19 GMT
#198
effort getting nydus :o
hell is other people
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 06 2013 10:19 GMT
#199
On May 06 2013 19:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:05 negativedge wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 06 2013 19:01 samurai80 wrote:
Queens are pretty good. This is why you need to switch to tempest asap for skytoss. But then you need to stop hydras. VRs, HTs then tempests ? On a defensive position herO would have been able to feedback those queens imo. HTs feedback queens, vipers (if there are), and infestors, while they can storm hydras. Better than colossi imo. This is also what Grubby said.


WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LOVE ORACLES?


because they have about ten HP

Yes, 100 HP and 60 shield is really low...

For an quite expensive protoss unit, yes.
MinzySC2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States261 Posts
May 06 2013 10:19 GMT
#200
It looks like Effort just doesn't know how to play ZvZ and is really behind the meta.
Shitposting for America.
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