EPT[SPL] STX SouL vs. EG-TL R4 - Page 39
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Mythal
Spain108 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:01 rothsbury wrote: I know you're trying to be snarky, but we're talking about such basic stuff (don't 15 hatch v P!) that yes, even I could teach him. I know, JD knows eveybody knows that. But this is not how you play starcraft. You want to surprise your opponent, get every advantage you can, and risky play (or retard play according to LR polite posters) definitely is part of this. I mean, proxy 2 gates against Zerg is as risky (retarded) than what JD did in this game. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:03 rothsbury wrote: It was more than a build order loss. It was a poor choice of build order even in a normal game (since the probe should be able to block the 15 hatch), and because if you're going to really fast 3 hatch you should at least scout. hatch first is being played by a ton of pros. You just see if you can get it down, else you play 15 or 16pool... If the map allows to defend against a canon rush with drones it's a good choice. And fast third... the only build that you get a BO loss against is the double proxy gate, which is hardly ever being played because it's holdable by anything if scouted and a BO loss against pool first as well as 6-10pool rushes. It's not "stupid". You go for it and accept the occasional BO loss, while getting a nice advantage if you don't get the BO loss. | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:05 suicideyear wrote: sorry for what was it "trash and pathetic play" when he 4 pooled Fantasy in Bacchus OSL or 5 pooled Calm in MSL? chill homie You gotta have balls to 5 pool Calm in MSL when it is cross position. So that wasn't pathetic at all, it was amazing to see haha | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:01 rothsbury wrote: I know you're trying to be snarky, but we're talking about such basic stuff (don't 15 hatch v P!) that yes, even I could teach him. you're an idiot. 15 hatch v P is ok. You simple scout the natural with your 9 ov as usual and only do it if you see the lack of a scouting probe... It's quite standard on 4p maps or to do when P uses a no scouting build... Of course you don't do it if you get 9 scouted... But you can easily react to that. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Mythal
Spain108 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:08 Big J wrote: hatch first is being played by a ton of pros. You just see if you can get it down, else you play 15 or 16pool... If the map allows to defend against a canon rush with drones it's a good choice. And fast third... the only build that you get a BO loss against is the double proxy gate, which is hardly ever being played because it's holdable by anything if scouted and a BO loss against pool first as well as 6-10pool rushes. It's not "stupid". You go for it and accept the occasional BO loss, while getting a nice advantage if you don't get the BO loss. While not stupid, I don't think is the way to go when you are forced to win to give your team a chance. IMO, in those situations you should play safer. | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:10 EpiK wrote: That loss must have been really demoralizing for JD. This loss is also coming right after getting eliminated by a foreigner in WCS: NA the day before. I hope he doesn't go into a deeper slump after today. on the side note, JD is always welcome to play BW! Yay! | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:03 rothsbury wrote: It was more than a build order loss. It was a poor choice of build order even in a normal game (since the probe should be able to block the 15 hatch), and because if you're going to really fast 3 hatch you should at least scout. Player B picked a terrible build order, hence player A "absolutely outplayed" him (by doing nothing special...). A very smart thing to say indeed. Here is a better use of the word "outplay": "Taeja outplayed Innovation". :p | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:10 Mythal wrote: While not stupid, I don't think is the way to go when you are forced to win to give your team a chance. IMO, in those situations you should play safer. This is a retarded line of thinking... You don't change your play depending on what is at stake.. You play the strategy that gives you the biggest chance of winning, it absolutely does not matter at all what the situation is. Understanding that is a key thing to being a pro, adapting your style to the occasion is a flaw and only makes you weaker and more predictable. | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:10 letian wrote: Irena Liu, what are you doing to JD? ^^ after that loss, JD will need some hot soups | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:12 ZenithM wrote: Player B picked a terrible build order, hence player A "absolutely outplayed" him (by doing nothing special...). A very smart thing to say indeed. Here is a better use of the word "outplay": "Taeja outplayed Innovation". :p Even if the other guy rolled over and die he would still be outplayed. By life. | ||
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Mythal
Spain108 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:15 Markwerf wrote: This is a retarded line of thinking... You don't change your play depending on what is at stake.. You play the strategy that gives you the biggest chance of winning, it absolutely does not matter at all what the situation is. Understanding that is a key thing to being a pro, adapting your style to the occasion is a flaw and only makes you weaker and more predictable. I'm not speaking about a change of style, but in those situations you can try to drone scout. That's it. | ||
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