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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
April 18 2013 10:26 GMT
#901
On April 18 2013 19:25 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:18 Insoleet wrote:
That was an awesome game.

Way better than mass tanks thor deathball mech crap of WoL.

Mech in WoL was just another deathball that was hard to get to.

What?? I just can't understand how people can say things like that when talking about Tanks. Leave that to Colossi, Thors and similar horrible units.


Well. Mech was a deathball composition. And still is tbh.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 18 2013 10:26 GMT
#902
On April 18 2013 19:24 m0ck wrote:
What exactly is fun about mech? It plays out as defense+hellbat drops into move across map with army meant to be invincible. It's the BL/infestor of terran.


It's a hell of a lot more exciting/positional based than broodlord infestor, and it requires more skill to actually use compared to bio as well. Bio is about trying to force mistakes from your opponent, where as to win with mech you need to be super airtight and not make any mistakes yourself.

Bio you can throw armies away and it means nothing, mech is all about being strong as hell.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17665 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#903
On April 18 2013 19:21 Nomzter wrote:
How would mech be with ghosts to counter vipers? if you're good enough with the ghosts to make them effective that is ofc

I don't think vipers clump enough for good EMPs
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#904
On April 18 2013 19:26 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:22 Infernal Knight wrote:
It wasn't too bad on the whole, but I was pulling for Maru to win because I fear seeing this game is going to make pros look at mech and go "yep, that's why it sucks, back to bio mine". /unrepentant bias

I was really hoping that HotS would revive factory styles, but the Viper just seems too good against big, expensive units vs. Z.


Well, Maru did win game 1 with Mech.

He won game 1 with Hellbats drops.*


Well technically he got ahead with hellbat drops, but won with the mech push.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#905
On April 18 2013 19:24 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 Qikz wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:19 bgx wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote:
Maru could have won that had he retreated with his ravens beforehand.

Would be such a killjoy.


Sorry, but I play that style of mech every game on ladder and I've been barking on how it can work.

He made the mistake of not killing both top bases when he had the chance and he pushed unsieged down the bottom without taking the bottom base. Huuuuuge mistakes.

and are you GM KR #1? :p


he's right, maru could have taken that base as a 6th and retreated before the remax came instead of staying to die.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#906
maru is really good at multitasking and microing, why would he waste his potential playing mech? Mkp is the same thing, terrible builds over and over, at this point I can't help but wonder if they would do the same with a different coach.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24999 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#907
On April 18 2013 19:26 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:18 Insoleet wrote:
That was an awesome game.

Way better than mass tanks thor deathball mech crap of WoL.

Mech in WoL was just another deathball that was hard to get to. Didn't function interestingly at all in TvZ anyway. Never got why people had such a hardon over it.

That last game may prove atypical, but there was a lot of on the fly strategy in evidence there. That I love to see, rather than pre-prepared builds and games so often being decided more on execution. You could tell Soulkey kind of had to think his way out of trouble.

a need for being good at on the fly strategy disappeared over time in WoL though

Well true, or when it's in evidence people will claim the games are 'sloppy' invariably.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#908
i really don't wanna go to uni right now =/
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 10:28:11
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#909
On April 18 2013 19:25 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:18 Insoleet wrote:
That was an awesome game.

Way better than mass tanks thor deathball mech crap of WoL.

Mech in WoL was just another deathball that was hard to get to.

What?? I just can't understand how people can say things like that when talking about Tanks. Leave that to Colossi, Thors and similar horrible units.

The time when you HAD to tech to BLs because the power level was high enough that you had to cheat like vs Protoss deathball.

5 tanks its a game

10-15 tanks oops hive tech baby.

disregard arbitrary numbers
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bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#910
On April 18 2013 19:23 Severian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:21 Ghanburighan wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:20 Severian wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:18 Corrosive wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:18 veryamaethon wrote:
that A-move into soulkey's base was disheartening

if he didn't do that all his tanks would have auto died to blinding cloud anyway.

That's why he had plenty of Vikings, wasn't it? If the Vikings can't stop your army from being blanketed in clouds or abducted, then there's not much point in having them.


You also need them against corruptors sniping ravens and BC, AND against BL switches. Mech has to have a large cloud of vikings.

I suppose, but I think with enough Ravens you don't need that many Vikings. The Corruptors Soulkey did have evaporated to a few missiles, plus there's Yamato.


Vipers can do there job (blind tanks) before they die. Mech is useless without tanks << zerg.
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#911
On April 18 2013 19:24 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 Qikz wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:19 bgx wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote:
Maru could have won that had he retreated with his ravens beforehand.

Would be such a killjoy.


Sorry, but I play that style of mech every game on ladder and I've been barking on how it can work.

He made the mistake of not killing both top bases when he had the chance and he pushed unsieged down the bottom without taking the bottom base. Huuuuuge mistakes.

and are you GM KR #1? :p


No, but it's a similar style and he lost in a similar way I've lost :p
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Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
April 18 2013 10:27 GMT
#912
On April 18 2013 19:24 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:21 kafkaesque wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Fenrax wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:16 rothsbury wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:12 graNite wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:12 sage_francis wrote:
abduct is such an ugly spell

it does not even make any sense or feel zergy at all.

Yup. I wish they had scourge to take out colossus / battlecruiser or whatever. Blinding cloud is good enough vs tanks anyway.


I love Abduct. Makes no sense but it looks amazing and I like what it does.


What makes no sense about it is that a Viper, which weighs half a ton at best and flies can use it on a Thor, which weighs at least 10 tons and stands firmly on the ground. Other than that, my favourite ability. Joink!

I dunno about that man... Studies have shown it can even pull cattlebruisers from space into earth

hahahahahaha nice answer

Hehe..

Also.. OGN stream still only has like 300+ viewers even though it's on the sidebar. Guess it's not just a matter of not enough advertisement. A bit sad for them haha, but I like my Gom casts
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#913
On April 18 2013 19:24 m0ck wrote:
What exactly is fun about mech? It plays out as defense+hellbat drops into move across map with army meant to be invincible. It's the BL/infestor of terran.


In it's current state... Nothing.
But it's interesting to see once in a while. Setting up a minefield in the front of a zergs base and then putting all your barracks rally points there is not so much more exciting either.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#914
On April 18 2013 19:24 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 Qikz wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:19 bgx wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote:
Maru could have won that had he retreated with his ravens beforehand.

Would be such a killjoy.


Sorry, but I play that style of mech every game on ladder and I've been barking on how it can work.

He made the mistake of not killing both top bases when he had the chance and he pushed unsieged down the bottom without taking the bottom base. Huuuuuge mistakes.

and are you GM KR #1? :p


Opter.. You know better than to Ad hominem a perfectly reasonable point. We had full vision, and saw what was happening. Maru, did not so he's likely to make mistakes we would not. Getting into a location with 180 degree concave against him with 2 high grounds from which to attack killed Maru. At the same time, Soulkey was down to double-digit minerals. If the two bases had been killed, Soulkey would have needed to all-in into a more favourable position for Maru.

Whether the two bases could be killed or not is of course debatable, but so is every other what-if situation.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#915
On April 18 2013 19:24 m0ck wrote:
What exactly is fun about mech? It plays out as defense+hellbat drops into move across map with army meant to be invincible. It's the BL/infestor of terran.

There are those slight differences called sieging and position, but those are only details, right?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#916
On April 18 2013 19:27 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 Taipoka wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:24 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:21 kafkaesque wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Fenrax wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:16 rothsbury wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:12 graNite wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:12 sage_francis wrote:
abduct is such an ugly spell

it does not even make any sense or feel zergy at all.

Yup. I wish they had scourge to take out colossus / battlecruiser or whatever. Blinding cloud is good enough vs tanks anyway.


I love Abduct. Makes no sense but it looks amazing and I like what it does.


What makes no sense about it is that a Viper, which weighs half a ton at best and flies can use it on a Thor, which weighs at least 10 tons and stands firmly on the ground. Other than that, my favourite ability. Joink!

I dunno about that man... Studies have shown it can even pull cattlebruisers from space into earth

hahahahahaha nice answer

Hehe..

Also.. OGN stream still only has like 300+ viewers even though it's on the sidebar. Guess it's not just a matter of not enough advertisement. A bit sad for them haha, but I like my Gom casts

it's because Tobblish isn't advertising for them today
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 10:29:41
April 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#917
On April 18 2013 19:27 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:24 Qikz wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:19 bgx wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote:
Maru could have won that had he retreated with his ravens beforehand.

Would be such a killjoy.


Sorry, but I play that style of mech every game on ladder and I've been barking on how it can work.

He made the mistake of not killing both top bases when he had the chance and he pushed unsieged down the bottom without taking the bottom base. Huuuuuge mistakes.

and are you GM KR #1? :p


he's right, maru could have taken that base as a 6th and retreated before the remax came instead of staying to die.

On April 18 2013 19:28 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:24 Qikz wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:19 bgx wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote:
Maru could have won that had he retreated with his ravens beforehand.

Would be such a killjoy.


Sorry, but I play that style of mech every game on ladder and I've been barking on how it can work.

He made the mistake of not killing both top bases when he had the chance and he pushed unsieged down the bottom without taking the bottom base. Huuuuuge mistakes.

and are you GM KR #1? :p


Opter.. You know better than to Ad hominem a perfectly reasonable point. We had full vision, and saw what was happening. Maru, did not so he's likely to make mistakes we would not. Getting into a location with 180 degree concave against him with 2 high grounds from which to attack killed Maru. At the same time, Soulkey was down to double-digit minerals. If the two bases had been killed, Soulkey would have needed to all-in into a more favourable position for Maru.

Whether the two bases could be killed or not is of course debatable, but so is every other what-if situation.

maru probably expected to win with that push, not much he could have done
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 10:29:11
April 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#918
On April 18 2013 19:26 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:24 m0ck wrote:
What exactly is fun about mech? It plays out as defense+hellbat drops into move across map with army meant to be invincible. It's the BL/infestor of terran.


It's a hell of a lot more exciting/positional based than broodlord infestor, and it requires more skill to actually use compared to bio as well. Bio is about trying to force mistakes from your opponent, where as to win with mech you need to be super airtight and not make any mistakes yourself.

Bio you can throw armies away and it means nothing, mech is all about being strong as hell.


If anything bio requires a lot more of attention.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
April 18 2013 10:29 GMT
#919
On April 18 2013 19:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 19:25 TheDwf wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 18 2013 19:18 Insoleet wrote:
That was an awesome game.

Way better than mass tanks thor deathball mech crap of WoL.

Mech in WoL was just another deathball that was hard to get to.

What?? I just can't understand how people can say things like that when talking about Tanks. Leave that to Colossi, Thors and similar horrible units.


Well. Mech was a deathball composition. And still is tbh.

Thors hellbats Mech is deathball, but with 15 - 16 sieged tanks it wasn't and will never be
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Sevredol
Profile Joined March 2013
New Zealand30 Posts
April 18 2013 10:29 GMT
#920
Well done Soulkey.

I feel like that build is really strong if you get ahead with your initial hellbat drops. But even thought Maru didnt that time, he stayed on pretty even footing until he lost his army in his big push. Felt like he kinda over made vikings, that supply would have been much more useful in more ravens/tanks. He needed to deal with those swarm host, their cost/damage ratio was HUGE in that game. So efficient.

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