EPT£10k ESET UK Masters Grand Finals - HotS - Page 19
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chuky500
France473 Posts
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SoulCapsule
France806 Posts
On March 24 2013 03:53 Emzeeshady wrote: Have you seen him play in premier events. I don't believe I have seen a game of his longer then 10 minutes. He does a lot of timed attacks. Does not mean he cheeses. I rarely see him cheesing.. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On March 24 2013 03:57 chuky500 wrote: The rules they use make no sense because there can't be a tie so the point average can't be used while they say it's the second tiebreaker. Absurd. No there can be a tie if more than 2 people have the same score by head to head as first tie breaker. This has happened many times. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On March 24 2013 03:53 _SpiRaL_ wrote: Caster has never seen Neo Planet S? How is that possible??? Pretty sure they said today they havent seen it | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:04 Zarahtra wrote: Pretty sure they said today they havent seen it No, he said he had never seen a game played on it. They then went on to discuss the zerg metagame and they were just guessing based on the layout rather than experience. | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:05 chuky500 wrote: And when that happens you use the point average and only if players are tied you use the head to head score. Because you're looking for the best players in a group (that's why you're having a group stage in the first place). If you want to know who's better head to head you have a bracket instead. most tournaments in sc2 use head to head as 1st tiebreaker in group stage, only notable exception is IEM I think. Dreamhack does head to head first as well. Both methods have their merits and downsides. | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:05 chuky500 wrote: And when that happens you use the point average and only if players are tied you use the head to head score. Because you're looking for the best players in a group (that's why you're having a group stage in the first place). If you want to know who's better head to head you have a bracket instead. Head to head is just a mini group or bracket based on the group results. It is a perfectly fair way to separate players. I have no way what point average is but it's not used in SC2. | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:11 chuky500 wrote: Point average is the number of maps a player has won in the group. Forgg has won 8 maps lost 4, Babyknight has won 7 and lost 6. That is not an 'average'. That is mapscore. Also it appears it is the difference between the number of maps won and the number of maps lost rather than simply number of maps won. Number of maps won alone is meaningless and should never be used. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
Anyways both are perfectly fine methods to break a tie. The Idea behind head-to-head first is that when both players have won the same amount of matches it is "unfair" that the guy you beat advances just because of won maps (which are irrelevant for the win of a match, 0-2 or 1-2 , both is a loss). | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
It's not unfair to advance in a group because of the map scores because it means you were a better player overall. While if you advance because of 1 game won it's unfair because you may be a worse player but you just won a game (without even knowing it would matter). | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1717 Posts
oh its head to head | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
Jon Andersen @FXOBabyKnight Apparently I'm through to the next round of ESET UK Masters anyway. :D I guess beating ForGG was pretty important. Poor him though. :/ Looks like the players didn't know the format. | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:16 chuky500 wrote: Of course it should used as a tiebreaker ! Both players are tied in the number of matches they won (3 wins 2 losses). Then you use the number of maps won in the group because you're looking for the better score in the group and only if they're still tied you use the head to head score between both players. Or you know, you could do it the other way? | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:18 Boucot wrote: Looks like the players didn't knowe the format. For players their is no excuse if they were given or told the rules. This should be standard in each and every tournament to know the rules. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
Spain football league for example also uses (for teams with same points) head-to-head points first , then head-to-head goals, and only then the overall goal score: http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/leaguesandclubs/a/Understanding_the_Primera_Division.htm same for champions league: http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf check point 6.05 (page 10 of the document) | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:19 _SpiRaL_ wrote: For players their is no excuse if they were given or told the rules. This should be standard in each and every tournament to know the rules. This should be standard in each tournament for the admins to explain the rules to the players. | ||
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