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Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
March 09 2013 09:29 GMT
#161
On March 09 2013 18:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
These mis-rallies are slowly but surely killing Ret.


His army and rally management are really his biggest weakness. I always seem to forget about this, until i watch him semi deep in a tournament somewhere. I don't know any other top tier foreigner who manages to donate as much units as Ret, let alone make a game out of it after he does.

If he could fix that, I think he'd do much much better.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 09 2013 09:29 GMT
#162
On March 09 2013 18:25 seansye wrote:
Haavent watched much HOTS PvZ, but god this is uglier than WOL PvZ.

This game is bad showcase, since Ret lost 5k resources to just Phoenixes, he didn't know how to handle them, and that snowballed into greater army for YongHwa. The game is much much more interesting than WoL ZvP, it isn't just stupid 2-3 base all-in from Protoss and Infestors and Spines camping into Brood Lords from Zerg.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 09 2013 09:30 GMT
#163
On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.


So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose.


Can't say I've seen many zergs deal with phoenix harass worse than that.
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
March 09 2013 09:30 GMT
#164
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.
Progamer
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 09 2013 09:30 GMT
#165
Impressive play by Yonghwa. I wonder how much stuff those phoenix killed but that was a lot.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 09 2013 09:30 GMT
#166
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.

You must not play zerg then.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
March 09 2013 09:31 GMT
#167
On March 09 2013 18:30 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.

You must not play zerg then.


Nop i don't. On the other hand, blade does and he agrees with me
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
March 09 2013 09:31 GMT
#168
On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote:
I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima.


It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes.


Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o

unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots


When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#169
On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.


Forcefield, time warp make it hard. Also toss will still do damage as you run away and when voidrays attack they get a range increase when running away by like an extra range or whatever.

There is a reason zergs aren't.
When I think of something else, something will go here
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#170
stream down?.. What?
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#171
On March 09 2013 18:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:25 seansye wrote:
Haavent watched much HOTS PvZ, but god this is uglier than WOL PvZ.

This game is bad showcase, since Ret lost 5k resources to just Phoenixes, he didn't know how to handle them, and that snowballed into greater army for YongHwa. The game is much much more interesting than WoL ZvP, it isn't just stupid 2-3 base all-in from Zerg and Protoss camping into the invincible Skytoss composition.


Fixed
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#172
On March 09 2013 18:31 ALPINA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote:
I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima.


It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes.


Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o

unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots


When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.


You can select a single hatchery to make them from.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#173
On March 09 2013 18:29 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.


So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose.


Hydra - hydra/swarmhost/corruptor so much stronger.


Well swarmhost won't really help against that much voids i would think, no to mention few colossus nullifies locust.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#174
Aaand it's gone.
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#175
On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.

you run away with corruptors and the rest army dies between ff and in tw. P is kinda ridiculous right now in hots...
Omri
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel638 Posts
March 09 2013 09:32 GMT
#176
Stream down?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#177
On March 09 2013 18:32 ALPINA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:29 blade55555 wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.


So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose.


Hydra - hydra/swarmhost/corruptor so much stronger.


Well swarmhost won't really help against that much voids i would think, no to mention few colossus nullifies locust.


You'll be surprised. I have beaten maxed (yes maxed) colossi/templar/voidray compositions and swarmhosts played a huge role in it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#178
On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.

Force the charge?? It's not like it uses energy... Maybe you meant back off before charge?
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#179
Anti-timing push by Ret, not much else to it.
Revolutionist fan
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#180
I don't think a roach/hydra timing at the 4th could've worked, YongHwa has then reached critical mass and Ret needs higher tech units.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
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