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On March 09 2013 18:25 Vindicare605 wrote: These mis-rallies are slowly but surely killing Ret.
His army and rally management are really his biggest weakness. I always seem to forget about this, until i watch him semi deep in a tournament somewhere. I don't know any other top tier foreigner who manages to donate as much units as Ret, let alone make a game out of it after he does.
If he could fix that, I think he'd do much much better.
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On March 09 2013 18:25 seansye wrote: Haavent watched much HOTS PvZ, but god this is uglier than WOL PvZ. This game is bad showcase, since Ret lost 5k resources to just Phoenixes, he didn't know how to handle them, and that snowballed into greater army for YongHwa. The game is much much more interesting than WoL ZvP, it isn't just stupid 2-3 base all-in from Protoss and Infestors and Spines camping into Brood Lords from Zerg.
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On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote: I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it. So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose.
Can't say I've seen many zergs deal with phoenix harass worse than that.
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dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.
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Impressive play by Yonghwa. I wonder how much stuff those phoenix killed but that was a lot.
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On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote: I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it. You must not play zerg then.
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On March 09 2013 18:30 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote: I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it. You must not play zerg then.
Nop i don't. On the other hand, blade does and he agrees with me
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On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote: I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima. It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes. Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots
When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.
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On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote: dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.
Forcefield, time warp make it hard. Also toss will still do damage as you run away and when voidrays attack they get a range increase when running away by like an extra range or whatever.
There is a reason zergs aren't.
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On March 09 2013 18:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:25 seansye wrote: Haavent watched much HOTS PvZ, but god this is uglier than WOL PvZ. This game is bad showcase, since Ret lost 5k resources to just Phoenixes, he didn't know how to handle them, and that snowballed into greater army for YongHwa. The game is much much more interesting than WoL ZvP, it isn't just stupid 2-3 base all-in from Zerg and Protoss camping into the invincible Skytoss composition.
Fixed
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On March 09 2013 18:31 ALPINA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote: I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima. It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes. Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.
You can select a single hatchery to make them from.
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On March 09 2013 18:29 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote: I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it. So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose. Hydra - hydra/swarmhost/corruptor  so much stronger.
Well swarmhost won't really help against that much voids i would think, no to mention few colossus nullifies locust.
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On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote: dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker. you run away with corruptors and the rest army dies between ff and in tw. P is kinda ridiculous right now in hots...
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On March 09 2013 18:32 ALPINA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:29 blade55555 wrote:On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote: I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it. So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose. Hydra - hydra/swarmhost/corruptor  so much stronger. Well swarmhost won't really help against that much voids i would think, no to mention few colossus nullifies locust.
You'll be surprised. I have beaten maxed (yes maxed) colossi/templar/voidray compositions and swarmhosts played a huge role in it.
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On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote: dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker. Force the charge?? It's not like it uses energy... Maybe you meant back off before charge?
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Anti-timing push by Ret, not much else to it.
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I don't think a roach/hydra timing at the 4th could've worked, YongHwa has then reached critical mass and Ret needs higher tech units.
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