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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#181
did the stream just die for anbody else?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#182
On March 09 2013 18:31 ALPINA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote:
I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima.


It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes.


Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o

unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots


When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.


come on. select one hatch and build overlords at it and rally them to a spore. it really isnt that hard.
Progamer
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#183
On March 09 2013 18:32 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:31 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote:
I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima.


It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes.


Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o

unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots


When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.


You can select a single hatchery to make them from.


Of course you can. It just takes more time and apm to do that while doing everything else you need to do as zerg.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#184
On March 09 2013 18:33 Schelim wrote:
did the stream just die for anbody else?

Yes
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#185
On March 09 2013 18:30 Megabuster123 wrote:
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On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.

You must not play zerg then.

Boy, it really is like 2010-2011 ZvP.

Twitch chat's saying the power went out.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
March 09 2013 09:33 GMT
#186
On March 09 2013 18:28 Lysanias wrote:
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On March 09 2013 18:26 RogerChillingworth wrote:
always facepalm when watching ret :\


The guy goes 4-1 in his group, beats Sting and this is the best you got ?

That's what happens against someone who actually played hots too unfortunately.
WriterMaru
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
March 09 2013 09:34 GMT
#187
On March 09 2013 18:33 samurai80 wrote:
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On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.

Force the charge?? It's not like it uses energy... Maybe you meant back off before charge?


it is an ability in hots.
Progamer
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 09 2013 09:34 GMT
#188
On March 09 2013 18:31 Teoita wrote:
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On March 09 2013 18:30 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.

You must not play zerg then.


Nop i don't. On the other hand, blade does and he agrees with me

He made the roaches to defend the pressure, then hydras to defend the air. Then he had this stupid useless army that he needed to do something with.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 09:34:58
March 09 2013 09:34 GMT
#189
On March 09 2013 18:33 blade55555 wrote:
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On March 09 2013 18:32 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:29 blade55555 wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:28 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 Teoita wrote:
I will NEVER EVER understand the obsession zergs have with roach/hydra. I thought we figured out about 2 years ago that it's shit and it makes pvz look horribly onesided, and there's always some guy trying it.


So what do you suggest when toss opens with phoenixes lol? It's not like zerg have much to choose.


Hydra - hydra/swarmhost/corruptor so much stronger.


Well swarmhost won't really help against that much voids i would think, no to mention few colossus nullifies locust.


You'll be surprised. I have beaten maxed (yes maxed) colossi/templar/voidray compositions and swarmhosts played a huge role in it.


Maybe you are right, i won't argue ;p
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 09 2013 09:35 GMT
#190
On March 09 2013 18:34 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:33 samurai80 wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.

Force the charge?? It's not like it uses energy... Maybe you meant back off before charge?


it is an ability in hots.

Didn't know that my bad :p
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 09 2013 09:35 GMT
#191
back to GomZvZ it is
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 09 2013 09:35 GMT
#192
On March 09 2013 18:32 YyapSsap wrote:
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On March 09 2013 18:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:25 seansye wrote:
Haavent watched much HOTS PvZ, but god this is uglier than WOL PvZ.

This game is bad showcase, since Ret lost 5k resources to just Phoenixes, he didn't know how to handle them, and that snowballed into greater army for YongHwa. The game is much much more interesting than WoL ZvP, it isn't just stupid 2-3 base all-in from Zerg and Protoss camping into the invincible Skytoss composition.


Fixed

Even though many people says that, I disagree, I don't see that every game. Actually, I see that sometimes here and there, mostly, I see normal games with aggression from both sides.

To people asking about Roach/Hydra, I think that Roach/Hydra works only with Vipers, so you can do some timings where you would snipe Colossi. If he already got Void Rays, I don't see the point in Corruptors, really. That being said, I think that you have to transition from Roach/Hydras/Vipers into Ultras/Hydras/Vipers/Infestors, or Brood Lords/Hydras/Vipers/Infestors, and that pros are staying on Roach/Hydras for very very long time.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
pepe08
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany566 Posts
March 09 2013 09:35 GMT
#193
On March 09 2013 18:33 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.

Force the charge?? It's not like it uses energy... Maybe you meant back off before charge?


no i was talking about get the P to hit charge button and run away and wait until the charge is gone and is on cd.
but as far as most people told me u are not able to run away and "fight" against charge and welcome death, because coruptors dont stand a chance against voidrais with charge and rest is crushed by colossi
AstroPegnuin
Profile Joined November 2012
293 Posts
March 09 2013 09:36 GMT
#194
I hope people realize YongHwa has been opening phoenix exclusively in PvZ for like 1-2 years so he makes the harass look pretty easy
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
March 09 2013 09:36 GMT
#195
On March 09 2013 18:32 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:30 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
dont understand why zergs attack when the void rays are charged. just go in, force the charge, back off and attack in 20s again. the void rays will be so much weaker.


Forcefield, time warp make it hard. Also toss will still do damage as you run away and when voidrays attack they get a range increase when running away by like an extra range or whatever.

There is a reason zergs aren't.


You need to have viper or infestors in order to make it work, imo. In general I think Zerg need more versatile armies, 3 types of units doesnt cut it.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 09 2013 09:36 GMT
#196
On March 09 2013 18:33 ALPINA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:32 DJHelium wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:31 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:28 Asha` wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:27 ALPINA wrote:
On March 09 2013 18:23 DJHelium wrote:
I don't get how pro gamers are so bad at rallying their overlords. It happens even at the top top level, and it does cost zerg players games sometimes. Just put a rally point to a safe spot, or rally manually like Dima.


It's not that simple when you have 3 bases. Overlords are not the only thing coming from hathes.


Just select the larva when you make your ol's and rally to a spore o-o

unless they changed the way you can select eggs in hots


When you make several ovies, at 3 hatches, it's quite possible that all of them will be spawning on different hatches, so won't help.


You can select a single hatchery to make them from.


Of course you can. It just takes more time and apm to do that while doing everything else you need to do as zerg.


Yes, and it's worth it. If you don't and just rally like that instead, it's even a bigger waste of time and apm since it's all for nothing.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 09 2013 09:37 GMT
#197
On March 09 2013 18:35 Schelim wrote:
back to GomZvZ it is

aaand back to LG-IEM
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
gOst
Profile Joined June 2011
415 Posts
March 09 2013 09:38 GMT
#198
Just can't understand why there isn't any drawback to prismatic alignment and the emergency thrusters for the medivacs. There shouldn't be a button you just press to make your units better.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 09:40:45
March 09 2013 09:39 GMT
#199
On March 09 2013 18:38 gOst wrote:
Just can't understand why there isn't any drawback to prismatic alignment and the emergency thrusters for the medivacs. There shouldn't be a button you just press to make your units better.


Corruptors have corruption

*edit* realize now that it's an ability, that was dumb.

But I don't think "activated abilities" are that bad for the game, as long as there is a timing on them.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 09:40:57
March 09 2013 09:40 GMT
#200
On March 09 2013 18:38 gOst wrote:
Just can't understand why there isn't any drawback to prismatic alignment and the emergency thrusters for the medivacs. There shouldn't be a button you just press to make your units better.

Even worse thing is that those aren't the upgrades... If they were upgrades, it would be reasonable to not have any drawback.

On March 09 2013 18:39 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 18:38 gOst wrote:
Just can't understand why there isn't any drawback to prismatic alignment and the emergency thrusters for the medivacs. There shouldn't be a button you just press to make your units better.


Corruptors have corruption :D

That starts on cooldown, and is support and very situational ability.
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