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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 14:12:19
March 08 2013 14:11 GMT
#1921
On March 08 2013 23:10 Sorkoas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:09 fishb00n wrote:
why did he lose :O

Because you can't get eco, tech and army all at once. A good timing push should usually punish that.

Unless you're Terran. ;-)))))

Yeah, First looked overly greedy there.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 08 2013 14:12 GMT
#1922
On March 08 2013 23:10 TeeTS wrote:
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On March 08 2013 23:09 fishb00n wrote:
why did he lose :O


because stalkers suck against stimmed marauders. Nothing new tbh.


"I love my protoss, I really do. But those marauders turns toss to goo."
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
March 08 2013 14:12 GMT
#1923
On March 08 2013 23:03 Azelja wrote:
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On March 08 2013 22:46 Gevna wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:35 Hylirion wrote:
LoL looks so unimpressive if these are the highlights. Still don't understand how it is such a viewer hit.

To be honest I completely fail to understand the hype around lol, and I've played it a lot. Yeah it's free, easy and spamming spells might be fun for few months. Actually something was funny when everybody in LR was whining about broodlords infestors being boring, and saying that's why LoL was more attractive. Well, in a LoL game nothing happens, just 10 dudes last hitting creeps. And in the end you have impressive score like 12-6 in 30 minutes. This is the real boredom.

I don't get it. LoL (beside skill ceiling)feel empty, long and there isn't real possibility of coming back. It's just pale near Dota 2 or Sc2. And I don't even want to compare it to BW or Quake.


After your explanation of what a game of LoL is all about, I can at least say that you really don't understand it

Then feel free to explain it to me. Because I just don't get it, almost every matches I've watched, nothing happens.

Mowr
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden791 Posts
March 08 2013 14:12 GMT
#1924
Seems like robo/blink/HT/charge is a bit techgreedy to defend the first MMM push. Surprise.
Kill one man and they'll call you a murderer. Kill an army of men and they'll call you a general. But kill all men and they'll call you a god.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 08 2013 14:13 GMT
#1925
On March 08 2013 23:10 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:09 fishb00n wrote:
why did he lose :O

Because stimmed marines and marauders with medivac support absolutely obliterates stalkers and zealots.


atleast if you have no guardian shield and are behind in upgrades. And in Hots of course skipped the MsC as support. Blink into storm was just a horrible idea on this map.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 08 2013 14:13 GMT
#1926
On March 08 2013 23:12 Gevna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:03 Azelja wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:46 Gevna wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:35 Hylirion wrote:
LoL looks so unimpressive if these are the highlights. Still don't understand how it is such a viewer hit.

To be honest I completely fail to understand the hype around lol, and I've played it a lot. Yeah it's free, easy and spamming spells might be fun for few months. Actually something was funny when everybody in LR was whining about broodlords infestors being boring, and saying that's why LoL was more attractive. Well, in a LoL game nothing happens, just 10 dudes last hitting creeps. And in the end you have impressive score like 12-6 in 30 minutes. This is the real boredom.

I don't get it. LoL (beside skill ceiling)feel empty, long and there isn't real possibility of coming back. It's just pale near Dota 2 or Sc2. And I don't even want to compare it to BW or Quake.


After your explanation of what a game of LoL is all about, I can at least say that you really don't understand it

Then feel free to explain it to me. Because I just don't get it, almost every matches I've watched, nothing happens.


Why would anyone care what you understand?
Off-season = best season
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
March 08 2013 14:13 GMT
#1927
On March 08 2013 23:11 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:10 Sorkoas wrote:
On March 08 2013 23:09 fishb00n wrote:
why did he lose :O

Because you can't get eco, tech and army all at once. A good timing push should usually punish that.

Unless you're Terran. ;-)))))

Yeah, First looked overly greedy there.

Thanks for pointing out that the races work differently.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 08 2013 14:13 GMT
#1928
First lost all his sentries in that engagement. They were in front of his army and he lost two before he casted anything.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 14:15:12
March 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#1929
New kirk sissy?

Edit: haha, there is a map named "Newkirk city" >.<
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Roqshu
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany112 Posts
March 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#1930
On March 08 2013 23:11 Psychobabas wrote:
So this is a HotS tournament with nobody making any HotS units lol. Well done Blizzard. Oh yeah medivac speed upgrade, I forgot xD

New Ultralisks, new Medivacs, Mothership Core, Oracles (&halluzinated ones), Mines were very often used. Nearly in every longer game.
And we also have seen Viper, Swarm host, Hellbats in this tournament.

AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#1931
He never made a MSC did he?

TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#1932
On March 08 2013 23:14 AxionSteel wrote:
He never made a MSC did he?

He did, but late, around 10'20.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#1933
On March 08 2013 23:14 AxionSteel wrote:
He never made a MSC did he?


He didn't.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
March 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#1934
On March 08 2013 23:14 Roqshu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:11 Psychobabas wrote:
So this is a HotS tournament with nobody making any HotS units lol. Well done Blizzard. Oh yeah medivac speed upgrade, I forgot xD

New Ultralisks, new Medivacs, Mothership Core, Oracles (&halluzinated ones), Mines were very often used. Nearly in every longer game.
And we also have seen Viper, Swarm host, Hellbats in this tournament.



Maybe he didn't see any other game except this one because IEM is so behind schedule and intent to give us delays between everything
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#1935
On March 08 2013 23:04 Herect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 22:56 Hylirion wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:53 ETisME wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:49 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:49 FakeDeath wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:46 Gevna wrote:
On March 08 2013 22:35 Hylirion wrote:
LoL looks so unimpressive if these are the highlights. Still don't understand how it is such a viewer hit.

To be honest I completely fail to understand the hype around lol, and I've played it a lot. Yeah it's free, easy and spamming spells might be fun for few months. Actually something was funny when everybody in LR was whining about broodlords infestors being boring, and saying that's why LoL was more attractive. Well, in a LoL game nothing happens, just 10 dudes last hitting creeps. And in the end you have impressive score like 12-6 in 30 minutes. This is the real boredom.

I don't get it. LoL (beside skill ceiling)feel empty, long and there isn't real possibility of coming back. It's just pale near Dota 2 or Sc2. And I don't even want to compare it to BW or Quake.


Basically agreed with what you said.

But comebacks are more likely to happen in LOL.


Comebacks being more likely to happen isn't exactly a good thing. Them being rare is what makes them special.

I think it really depends. Just look at Dota games for example, if one team are getting denied in early farm for too long, the game is basically a slow and painful death. And the game might just be really one sided all the way till finish (and the game usually lasts like 40 mins+)
Having a BIGGER chance to come back means that we can always expect the game to change and we all waiting for that moment and see how it all reveals


But simply the graphics is what I don't understand. The animations look so weird, to me it's like everyone is slowly wobbling over the screen in LoL. I think anyone can watch 'the play'' bij Navi from Dota2 and even though they don't have a clue what is going on, it will still look impressive. But with LoL highlights I don't get that vibe at all.


You need to play a lot. You need to understand which effect every spell has. The spells don't speak by themselves. Their design is focused on create impact and express power/awesomeness. SC2 is a more elegant, though. A LOT more elegant.

SC2 needs exposure. You actually don't need to play a lot to enjoy watching. I have friends that played only the campaign and a few multiplayer games, but it still watch some tournaments. LoL doesn't have this. Everyone watching pretty much plays a lot.



I've attempted to watch LoL on many, many occasions, and play as well. And basically, I feel like LoL is Dota on an excessive dose of sleeping pills. They slowed down the game to a crawl, and in the pro scene the games really have little action. The first stage of the game is the most boring, because of no denying and how easy it is to avoid ganks when you're at least a little versed in the game. It's way too slow for me, Dota is more dynamic.

Also from a metagame standpoint, LoL is stagnant, while Dota keeps changing, which makes the picking phase and lineup analysis more interesting.
Mowr
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden791 Posts
March 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#1936
On March 08 2013 23:14 AxionSteel wrote:
He never made a MSC did he?


He did but it did not come out until the game was already lost.
Kill one man and they'll call you a murderer. Kill an army of men and they'll call you a general. But kill all men and they'll call you a god.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#1937
On March 08 2013 23:14 Roqshu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:11 Psychobabas wrote:
So this is a HotS tournament with nobody making any HotS units lol. Well done Blizzard. Oh yeah medivac speed upgrade, I forgot xD

New Ultralisks, new Medivacs, Mothership Core, Oracles (&halluzinated ones), Mines were very often used. Nearly in every longer game.
And we also have seen Viper, Swarm host, Hellbats in this tournament.



What I take from this atm is that the WoL to HoTS transition is not as big as was expected
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
March 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#1938
On March 08 2013 23:11 Psychobabas wrote:
So this is a HotS tournament with nobody making any HotS units lol. Well done Blizzard. Oh yeah medivac speed upgrade, I forgot xD

So they have to be making only HoTS units to play a HoTS tournament? Each matchup looks way different from what we have seen in WoL. Therefor HoTS effect can definitly been seen
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
March 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#1939
On March 08 2013 23:14 Roqshu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:11 Psychobabas wrote:
So this is a HotS tournament with nobody making any HotS units lol. Well done Blizzard. Oh yeah medivac speed upgrade, I forgot xD

New Ultralisks, new Medivacs, Mothership Core, Oracles (&halluzinated ones), Mines were very often used. Nearly in every longer game.
And we also have seen Viper, Swarm host, Hellbats in this tournament.


Not to mention a completely different metagame, to a lesser extent in tvp it seems so far though
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 08 2013 14:16 GMT
#1940
On March 08 2013 23:15 Mowr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 23:14 AxionSteel wrote:
He never made a MSC did he?


He did but it did not come out until the game was already lost.

I'm no protoss expert but I would've thought that would be an essential unit to make if you're going for a greedy build like that
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