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On March 08 2013 00:56 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:52 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On March 08 2013 00:48 Caletor wrote:On March 08 2013 00:47 Tsubbi wrote:On March 08 2013 00:46 Fjodorov wrote:
Here we go again, Mvp nerfing terran all by himself. not really lol, top10 gm in hots beta was like 7 terrans and every pro knows that changes are needed for zvt even all pros in every interview say zerg is the weakest and terran the strongest. I dont see how anyone can deny it either... I think it's entirely to early to really say anything yet. Zergs are still so used to the ez mode they had in WoL to be brutally honest. Give the top zergs some more time to work with the new units and changes. If in 1-2 months after release Zerg are getting stomped out, then call imba. Players whining about balance and crying for blizzard to nerf/buff to early/quickly is what led WoL to it's troubles near the end. Give time for players to figure shit out and learn how to actually counter things before saying which race is weak and which isn't. Still, besides Stephano (in zvp) no zerg said zerg was OP in wol, but now terrans are sayinng terran is OP already. But I agree that blizz should wait.
I think that just says more about the personalities of Zerg players against Terran players and less about balance 
but in all seriousness. I do think that it LOOKS like terran is a touch stronger, but also I don't think Zergs are using their new units to the full potential yet either.
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On March 08 2013 00:54 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:52 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On March 08 2013 00:48 Caletor wrote:On March 08 2013 00:47 Tsubbi wrote:On March 08 2013 00:46 Fjodorov wrote:
Here we go again, Mvp nerfing terran all by himself. not really lol, top10 gm in hots beta was like 7 terrans and every pro knows that changes are needed for zvt even all pros in every interview say zerg is the weakest and terran the strongest. I dont see how anyone can deny it either... I think it's entirely to early to really say anything yet. Zergs are still so used to the ez mode they had in WoL to be brutally honest. Give the top zergs some more time to work with the new units and changes. If in 1-2 months after release Zerg are getting stomped out, then call imba. Players whining about balance and crying for blizzard to nerf/buff to early/quickly is what led WoL to it's troubles near the end. Give time for players to figure shit out and learn how to actually counter things before saying which race is weak and which isn't. Agreed. We just have to wait for the first HotS GSL season. Where top players Life,DRG,Leenock,Curious,Symbol will play the game. If they do get stomped, then we can start debating but now it's still too early.
Well I mean zerg Hots early game = zerg Wol early game.. so it's not like something new and awesome will come out. Zerg early game is same and boring, just now it's much harder to defend vs. better reapers and widow mines.
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Stephano says he has barely practiced HotS then moans about balance...
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2nd vs. 3rd place for Dream vs. Stephano doesn't help them with the bracket, right? Mvp is seeded into the quarterfinals already, but both Dream and Stephano need to play an extra match against someone?
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On March 08 2013 00:55 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:43 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 00:39 aidosae wrote:On March 08 2013 00:37 sitromit wrote:On March 08 2013 00:36 Qikz wrote:On March 08 2013 00:35 sitromit wrote:
Vipers are useless against bio/mine. Even if they hadn't died, it wouldn't have made a difference. Are you insane? Blinding Cloud wrecks bio. Watch the games yesterday. LOL... All bio needs to do is move out of the cloud. If Stephano follows, his army goes into his own cloud. not only that... the units will move out of the cloud without you doing anything at all... can someone confirm that its still the case? The units will move forward, which is good for the zerg as they will come into melee range with roaches, leaving part of the bio army still under the cloud. The correct response as terran is to kite back ASAP, but it usually results in taking a few free hits from the hydras anyway. This makes vipers a huge help in roach/hydra vs bio, both in battles and as a zoning tool. If you're going pure bio and mines, you could, you know, burrow some mines behind your bio, this also assures they won't be triggered since overlords and overseers will die above a cloud of bio. Once the terran's bio gets coated by blinding clouds you kite back behind the mines and if the zerg pursues he gets shot in the face by several mines worth of aoe. You rinse and repeat until the zerg is either out of energy or out of units.
What kind of zerg runs into his own cloud with the possibility of widow mines being behind it? Are we assuming that the zerg is only capable of throwing down a cloud, then a-moving like a complete idiot?
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Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos.
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This is awesome. Zerg had a fun time for the last 6 months and some people want to nerf Terran after 2 TOURNAMENT DAYS!!!
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On March 08 2013 00:57 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:57 Swordland wrote:On March 08 2013 00:53 Swordland wrote:On March 08 2013 00:52 FakeDeath wrote:On March 08 2013 00:51 Swordland wrote:
Could someone please tell me what MVP did to 2-0 stephano? mech/bio, etc.? Pure bio first game. Pure bio mixed with mines second game. Wow....sounds so nice.... Sorry if asking too much...but could someone go into more details here? I love playing pure bio in tvz....like, what unit composition did stephano have? Why did he lose, was it because of drops? How did MVP utilize mines? Would someone help me here....Nomyx where are you...  I would love to know the game in details...How exactly did he win using pure bio and mines? Did stephano make mistakes that cost him the game...or MVP's drops were brilliant...etc vods will be available in a few hours!
THanks musicus.
So, the VODs, is there a link on IEM's official website or something? If they just restream, then how can I know when MVP vs Stephano is coming up? 
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I want Dream vs Parting because Dream will wipe the floor with him, again
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On March 08 2013 00:56 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:53 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 00:51 Big J wrote:On March 08 2013 00:50 Leetley wrote:On March 08 2013 00:48 SiroKO wrote:
Zerg players seem to be unaccustomed to lose that badly.
This says more about WoL balance than HoTS imo. Terrans have more freedom which is great and it also shows. Zerg has less freedom which is bad and it also shows. Not being able to go 3 base 70 drones behind pure queen and a handful of lings is bad? I beg to differ. Lol . Stephano never did that in Wol and it didn't prevent him from taking series off MKP, MMA, Mvp, Lucifron and such .
when did Stephano took a game of the king ?
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Well I think almost everyone that is not terran believes ZvT is favoring Terran now. Still I would like too see Violet play against MVP.
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On March 08 2013 00:57 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:53 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 00:51 monkybone wrote:On March 08 2013 00:49 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 00:46 Leetley wrote:On March 08 2013 00:42 Heartland wrote:On March 08 2013 00:41 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 08 2013 00:40 Leetley wrote:On March 08 2013 00:39 m0ck wrote:
Simply removing automatic siege-mode for terran would help a lot with making terran vulnerable after making big head-on attacks like the hellion-attack. Yup, I think they need to re-add the siege research. I really don't think the tank needed that buff to begin with :x I mean, why? And I'm Terran. To hold off early Zerg roach attacks I think is the reasoning. Good luck to all the zergs trying to punish terran when they have mines in place AND sieged tanks behind all their depots and whatnot. New standard will be 3x orbital in the early game i think, zerg will have real trouble punishing Terran greed now. Terran has been unable to punish Zerg greed for almost a year now in WoL. And guess what, Zergs will get better at defending as time goes on. The game is not even released yet. Zerg will have to come up with something new to punish terran greed now, not just mass up one unit, attack and expect GG. During the 1/1/1 all in period v P Terran at least had to do some work for their win. They didn't really you know better then that, 1/1/1 could be played well on lower league's aswell. Take of those pink glasses please. That's not an argument at all, in the lower leagues the Protoss defense will be worse too..
True yet the Terran's timings nearly stay the same no matter the rank.
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On March 08 2013 00:56 TimENT wrote:
What the fuck is this bullshit? I didn't hear Terran players saying this when infestor broodlord was so imba it wasn't even funny.
Ahem
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Jesus fuck, this thread really devolved into an argumentative cesspool, didn't it?
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On March 08 2013 00:58 betaman wrote:
Stephano says he has barely practiced HotS then moans about balance...
And his legions of fanboys cry imba imba imba.... and MVP gets Terran nerfed into oblivion once more, thus continues the endless circle of Starcraft 2
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I think its funny are people even watching the streams? Every terran pro in the interviews said that terran is the strongest. Every zerg said zerg is the weakest. And all people hear is "stephano didnt practise enough he doesnt count"
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Can't believe the Terran bias from some people here...
Even terran players say it's broken
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On March 08 2013 00:59 BlackCompany wrote:
This is awesome. Zerg had a fun time for the last 6 months and some people want to nerf Terran after 2 TOURNAMENT DAYS!!!
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Yeah it's sad really.
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