[IEM] World Championship Day 2 - Page 11

On March 06 2013 18:17 blade55555 wrote:


Difference being ghosts are projectile where as abduct isn't. Ghosts have EMP can potentially take out 5 templar at a time, abduct on the other hand grabs 1 unit and that's if toss doesn't feedback. Also ghosts have cloak. I really wish people understood the viper and why they aren't a counter to templar before posting something so stupid.

On March 06 2013 18:15 blade55555 wrote:


Vipers being feedbacked?

On March 06 2013 18:14 Qikz wrote:


That shouldn't matter. Moving out of the storm (especiallly with stuff like corrupters) is still better than sitting in it.

Do people forget how fragile Bio is in storm? If Terran players never bothered as it gives the enemy "free damage" Terran would never beat Toss. Splitting is even better for zerg as collosus will hit less as the units are bigger and same goes for hydras.

If I see a zerg complaining about void rays being imbalanced when they clump all their corrupters and hydras on top of each other and refuse to move from storm, I think I might get upset :/

On March 06 2013 18:19 furo wrote:


vipers fly and will always be in good positions whereas ghost stuck
also a 50/50 investment in these 200/200 fights is not a big deal, so ghosts cloak does not matter most of the time

On March 06 2013 18:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Roaches and Hydras are roughly 25% slower than stimmed Marines/Marauders. That and I'm pretty sure Marines/Marauders have faster animation cancel.

Not saying that it isn't possible to move out of storms, just that it's a lot slower to do so, and a lot of the time you'll actually deal less damage overall.

On March 06 2013 18:09 Cyro wrote:
To Apollo and the other IEM casters, if anyone reads this - Would it be possible to talk about what the players are actually doing? Socke vs Vortix, Socke takes a very early nexus, before cyber core from gateway, it's not mentioned at all because camera and all casters are focused on probe blocking natural hatchery - something that happened every game for years - while vital information is being missed.

Robo is not mentioned until attack is coming and there's a second or third immortal on the way - robo bay not mentioned until thermal lance is finished - i could write like 50 more examples but i dont think there's need - i can get a general idea of game flow, but nothing timed precisely at all, just something like "he got a stargate and then he got a robo at some point" and i know there could be much better information communicated for those trying to learn HOTS at master level or greater

I enjoy listening to casters but learning the new game is important to me, i dont want to waste time, and as it stands it seems like there is a lot more to learn by muting audio and staring at production tab and minimap with a notepad - i know you guys are good enough to make listening to casters a far superior option :D

Anyone else thinking the same or is it just me?

On March 06 2013 18:19 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
I like how you're thinking Cyro, I believe casters seem to want to stay away from informational stuff as they think fans will be bored or mad by it. However, NFL broadcasts throw casuals a bone all the time and go "see how the QB faked that run play and went to the air, the secondary was briefly fooled and the WR got open" or whatever. SC2 could occasionally show off a casual thing like that to help new people learn the game.

On March 06 2013 18:20 blade55555 wrote:


Uh doesn't matter if they fly.... Yeah I won't bother trying to reason with you anymore I can already see you won't ever understand.

On March 06 2013 18:23 Swordland wrote:
Each time I see Nathanias stream I see his face only....does he ever stream games? Seriously Ive looked at his stream about 20 times, and I never see a game on his stream.

Also, what games have been played other than socke vs vortix

On March 06 2013 18:21 nomyx wrote:


I can understand roaches having less priority to split than hydras, but hydras are fragile (80), expensive (50 gas), have equal speed to stimmed marines on creep, and have the same attack speed as marines (.86, easier stutter stepping).

Unless you just like to stare at the screen and not play, zergs should micro their hydras

On March 06 2013 18:22 Adebisi wrote:

I'm really not sure where you're coming from, I showed every time Socke built a new building, nexus timing, gas timing, core timing...