• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:10
CET 01:10
KST 09:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 958 users

[IEM] World Championship Day 2 - Page 70

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 68 69 70
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
March 06 2013 20:25 GMT
#1381
--- Nuked ---
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
March 06 2013 20:31 GMT
#1382
Excited for Day 3. Talk about a group of death.

Hope to see Grubby and TLO do well, although it's going to be tough. Stephano, MVP and Golden will probably run the top three through.
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 20:33:53
March 06 2013 20:33 GMT
#1383
Scarlett was good before but the patch enhanced her strengths, spreading creep was made easier, queens were made better, she thrives on map control. So kind of a patchzerg made her Code B level but if not for patch she would be in the hunt anyway.

Results up to this point <Balance Report> SPOILERS

T+ Show Spoiler +
ERRAN W9-L11 GW24-GL26

Koreans(2) 7-3 17-8

Player AVG 6W 6.5L

ZERG W14-L21 GW35-GL48

Player AVG 5W 6.85L

Violet W5-0L 10GW-3GL


PROTOSS W22-L13 GW50-GL34

Korean(4) W15 L5

Player AVG 7.14W 4.85L

Trends: Foreigners have a losing record in all races. The best statistical player in YongHwa. Violet is a close second as Zerg. Without Violet Zerg would have a 9-21 record. Zerg went from 5.66 games won per player to 5 after yesterday.

Zerg are only 4-10 vs. Protoss.
Zerg are 4-4 vs. Terran
Terran are 4-6 vs. Protoss

Korean Protoss dominance shines through however PvZ may be considerably in trouble. ZvT is balanced. TvP is a bit off-kilter but may be Korean feeding off 2 foreigner more than game balance.
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 06 2013 21:31 GMT
#1384
Surprised and impressed to see Mana managed to beat Vortix and Snute.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
March 06 2013 21:42 GMT
#1385
Man I thought Socke was going to get out after he was 2 - 0 and Sting was 0 - 2 down. WP by Sting !
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 06 2013 22:10 GMT
#1386
On March 07 2013 05:33 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Scarlett was good before but the patch enhanced her strengths, spreading creep was made easier, queens were made better, she thrives on map control. So kind of a patchzerg made her Code B level but if not for patch she would be in the hunt anyway.

Results up to this point <Balance Report> SPOILERS

+ Show Spoiler +


TERRAN W9-L11 GW24-GL26

Koreans(2) 7-3 17-8

Player AVG 6W 6.5L

ZERG W14-L21 GW35-GL48

Player AVG 5W 6.85L

Violet W5-0L 10GW-3GL


PROTOSS W22-L13 GW50-GL34

Korean(4) W15 L5

Player AVG 7.14W 4.85L

Trends: Foreigners have a losing record in all races. The best statistical player in YongHwa. Violet is a close second as Zerg. Without Violet Zerg would have a 9-21 record. Zerg went from 5.66 games won per player to 5 after yesterday.

Zerg are only 4-10 vs. Protoss.
Zerg are 4-4 vs. Terran
Terran are 4-6 vs. Protoss

Korean Protoss dominance shines through however PvZ may be considerably in trouble. ZvT is balanced. TvP is a bit off-kilter but may be Korean feeding off 2 foreigner more than game balance.


Thanks for the work putting those numbers together. They say very little so far due to the number, but it's always useful to have them to think about.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
March 06 2013 22:48 GMT
#1387
I've been traveling the past two days and I'm so behind on IEM. Golden is playing today and so now IEM you have my full attention.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
March 06 2013 23:05 GMT
#1388
On March 07 2013 07:10 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 05:33 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Scarlett was good before but the patch enhanced her strengths, spreading creep was made easier, queens were made better, she thrives on map control. So kind of a patchzerg made her Code B level but if not for patch she would be in the hunt anyway.

Results up to this point <Balance Report> SPOILERS

+ Show Spoiler +


TERRAN W9-L11 GW24-GL26

Koreans(2) 7-3 17-8

Player AVG 6W 6.5L

ZERG W14-L21 GW35-GL48

Player AVG 5W 6.85L

Violet W5-0L 10GW-3GL


PROTOSS W22-L13 GW50-GL34

Korean(4) W15 L5

Player AVG 7.14W 4.85L

Trends: Foreigners have a losing record in all races. The best statistical player in YongHwa. Violet is a close second as Zerg. Without Violet Zerg would have a 9-21 record. Zerg went from 5.66 games won per player to 5 after yesterday.

Zerg are only 4-10 vs. Protoss.
Zerg are 4-4 vs. Terran
Terran are 4-6 vs. Protoss

Korean Protoss dominance shines through however PvZ may be considerably in trouble. ZvT is balanced. TvP is a bit off-kilter but may be Korean feeding off 2 foreigner more than game balance.


Thanks for the work putting those numbers together. They say very little so far due to the number, but it's always useful to have them to think about.


apart from the few numbers , Violet went 5-0 STOMPING the protosses in his group , dont think the state of plays now is indicative of overpowered stuff , just some people playing the game much better than others because of being more familiar with it.
arvinds94
Profile Joined April 2012
United States40 Posts
March 06 2013 23:15 GMT
#1389
Ma boy viOLet doin work. as always. i see him dominating the rest of the tournament as well
viOlet
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
March 06 2013 23:26 GMT
#1390
Any recommended games?
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 06 2013 23:30 GMT
#1391
Hmmm, is mass mutalisks in ZvZ the trend in HotS?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
March 06 2013 23:33 GMT
#1392
On March 07 2013 03:09 monkybone wrote:
Oh man, the Zergs Snute, Vortix, Slivko and Xlord getting the four worst results so far in this tournament. I'm not gonna say anything, but this is somehow an appropriate start for HotS... At least morally.


I didn't watch any of the Xlord games so I can't comment - but Snute & Vortix played beyond bad in almost all their games yesterday. I'm not sure if it was just an off day, being shaken by the new metagame, lack of recent practice or what, but they really looked like normal ladder players rather than progamers. However, confusing play is sort of to be expected with so many new things to learn in HOTS.

Also while I admit I feel that some of their results in WoL were boosted by the strength of the race, I don't think its fair to say "this totally proves that they are patchzergs!" just because they are struggling in HOTS right now, not everyone is going to adjust as quickly to the new metagame. Especially for players like Vortix/Slivko who almost always went infestor/broodlord in WoL, I feel like they will have longer adjustment periods. If later on the balance of the game is considered relatively good, and yet they struggle mightily, only then can we say that perhaps they did make their living off of an imbalanced composition.

Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 23:42:50
March 06 2013 23:41 GMT
#1393
On March 07 2013 08:26 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended games?


Violet vs Socke after seeing Snute vs Socke , shocked me as how Violet approached ZvP in contrast to Snute.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 02:53:45
March 07 2013 02:52 GMT
#1394
lol sting was sweating during the interview after beating Socke. He made something up on the spot. "For this match I watched the replay by myself." followed by a long pause and "my girlfriend told me" when nothing came to mind.

No doubt the first part is true, but his tone was very defensive.

Nothing wrong with congregating with fellow high level players who speak your language to discuss strategy, but the way the question was framed and even translated, sounded almost accusatory of foul play, which is why he answered like he was being put on the stand.
Heouf
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands787 Posts
March 07 2013 15:04 GMT
#1395
genius zerg? are you kidding me? Never seen or heard him be named that. That guy must be making stuff up.
Gokba Alhakel
Prev 1 68 69 70
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
ReBellioN vs HiGhDrA
Shameless vs Demi
LetaleX vs Mute
Percival vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings74
Liquipedia
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group B
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
ZZZero.O119
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 326
ProTech125
UpATreeSC 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 616
ZZZero.O 119
NaDa 20
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1158
Other Games
Grubby4947
B2W.Neo520
fl0m511
Maynarde128
JuggernautJason9
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1359
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 89
• RyuSc2 66
• HeavenSC 30
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 24
• blackmanpl 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21066
League of Legends
• imaqtpie3158
Other Games
• Scarra676
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 50m
Wardi Open
11h 50m
Wardi Open
15h 50m
Replay Cast
22h 50m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.