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On March 04 2013 19:46 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 19:24 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 19:20 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 04 2013 19:04 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 19:02 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 04 2013 18:59 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 18:57 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 04 2013 18:55 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 18:54 SniXSniPe wrote:
KeSPA teams > ESF teams In what universe is EG-TL an ESF team? I didn't say that. I was making an indirect comparison because HerO and TaeJa are Code S level (if not high level Code S) and are getting stomped in a KeSPA league vs a league composed of mostly ESF teams/players. That comparison is terrible, they're completely different leagues with completely different set-ups, best of series, maps, everything. Because we haven't been seeing KeSPA players performing very successfully recently in GSL despite focusing on Proleague. Oh wait, 3 KeSPA players in the Ro8 (not including Parting) for Code S. Oh wait, 5 > 3. Dat math. Finals 1 = 1. more math. The only "esF" code S player that we've seen in Proleague is Taeja. Hero is not code S now. Yes, 5 > 3, but what does that have to do with anything? My post was simply remarking on KeSPA players showcasing success in GSL. Since you might fail in comprehending things (you added a snide comment regarding math, FYI I deal with math a lot since I'm a math major, only fair I point out your ignorance), I'll break it down for you: KeSPA players are behind in years of experience for SC2 KeSPA players are already breaking into GSL and further (4-5 KeSPA players were in Code S this season, 8-9 are in the up-and-down). Hero is in the Up-and-down this season, he made Round 8 of GSL last time he was Code S, guess who beat him? Rain 3-0. TaeJa and HerO, despite being highly rated in GSL have not been performing well in Proleague (you can also include JYP/Revival). Point being: KeSPA players were typically composed of players who > ESF players back in BW. They have better resources. They have the experience. They have the motivation/dedication to train. I'm certain they can play against loaded teams like ST, FXO, MVP, etc. equally. Rofl, what does being a math major have to do with basic arithmetic? You knowing vector calculus has nothing to do with anything. The rest of it I don't particularly care about. Since you are a math major, you should realize the math points to eSF in the GSL regardless of your excuses for their current minority status. Though Roro beating Symbol would change that because #1 is better than #2. Because it means I understand, that obviously 5 > 3, having a grasp of math already under my belt. You made a stupid comment that makes the assumption I don't understand basic arithmetic, I corrected you that I do, as well as higher level math. Just because I list ">" doesn't mean that I was referring to a numeric quantity. Try reading through the context. Originally the GSL bracket was established with primarily ESF players (a few seeds for KeSPA/foreigners). You expect every KeSPA player to jump in right away? Despite the fact that they have to play through preliminaries (and potentially knock one another out), as well as in the main tournament play against one another? 12 out of 23 of the players who qualified for Code A this season were from KeSPA. 19 out of the players in Code A (not including any of the players in Code S who dropped down) were from KeSPA (20 including BaBy). Out of those 20, 3 move on directly to Code S, while 10 are in the up-and-down (4 in one group unfortunately). ...and this was the 3rd season of KeSPa participating, out of 14-16 total seasons? You sure showed me, an ESF established league having "1" more player in the Round of 8 indicates it's superiority, despite KeSPA players only having 4 players in Code S this season (vs 28 non-KeSPA).
you don't understand anything if you think these kinds of statistics mean anything.
skill of players goes much further than who won on what day.
statistics dont factor in luck or other situational things that happen.
plus kespa players started playing when the game was for the most part figured out - it's much easier to learn something that everyone else has figured out already rather than learn a game that was frequently patched, or a game where the metagame shifts in extreme ways.
you're making it seem like these kespa players came in with god tier mechanics and invented some crazy strategies that no one has ever used and obliterated top esf players with them, when the fact is that the kespa players were able to watch vods or tournaments to learn everything from esf players for the most part.
also your original point simply said kespa teams > esf teams.
wouldn't 5 esf players vs 3 kespa players in the ro8 simply mean esf > kespa right now? even if by a bit? the time they have practiced is not relevant.
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bisu vs puma next time please
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On March 04 2013 19:46 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 19:24 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 19:20 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 04 2013 19:04 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 19:02 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 04 2013 18:59 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 18:57 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 04 2013 18:55 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 18:54 SniXSniPe wrote:
KeSPA teams > ESF teams In what universe is EG-TL an ESF team? I didn't say that. I was making an indirect comparison because HerO and TaeJa are Code S level (if not high level Code S) and are getting stomped in a KeSPA league vs a league composed of mostly ESF teams/players. That comparison is terrible, they're completely different leagues with completely different set-ups, best of series, maps, everything. Because we haven't been seeing KeSPA players performing very successfully recently in GSL despite focusing on Proleague. Oh wait, 3 KeSPA players in the Ro8 (not including Parting) for Code S. Oh wait, 5 > 3. Dat math. Finals 1 = 1. more math. The only "esF" code S player that we've seen in Proleague is Taeja. Hero is not code S now. Yes, 5 > 3, but what does that have to do with anything? My post was simply remarking on KeSPA players showcasing success in GSL. Since you might fail in comprehending things (you added a snide comment regarding math, FYI I deal with math a lot since I'm a math major, only fair I point out your ignorance), I'll break it down for you: KeSPA players are behind in years of experience for SC2 KeSPA players are already breaking into GSL and further (4-5 KeSPA players were in Code S this season, 8-9 are in the up-and-down). Hero is in the Up-and-down this season, he made Round 8 of GSL last time he was Code S, guess who beat him? Rain 3-0. TaeJa and HerO, despite being highly rated in GSL have not been performing well in Proleague (you can also include JYP/Revival). Point being: KeSPA players were typically composed of players who > ESF players back in BW. They have better resources. They have the experience. They have the motivation/dedication to train. I'm certain they can play against loaded teams like ST, FXO, MVP, etc. equally. Rofl, what does being a math major have to do with basic arithmetic? You knowing vector calculus has nothing to do with anything. The rest of it I don't particularly care about. Since you are a math major, you should realize the math points to eSF in the GSL regardless of your excuses for their current minority status. Though Roro beating Symbol would change that because #1 is better than #2. Because it means I understand, that obviously 5 > 3, having a grasp of math already under my belt. You made a stupid comment that makes the assumption I don't understand basic arithmetic, I corrected you that I do, as well as higher level math. Just because I list ">" doesn't mean that I was referring to a numeric quantity. Try reading through the context. Originally the GSL bracket was established with primarily ESF players (a few seeds for KeSPA/foreigners). You expect every KeSPA player to jump in right away? Despite the fact that they have to play through preliminaries (and potentially knock one another out), as well as in the main tournament play against one another? 12 out of 23 of the players who qualified for Code A this season were from KeSPA. 19 out of the players in Code A (not including any of the players in Code S who dropped down) were from KeSPA (20 including BaBy). Out of those 20, 3 move on directly to Code S, while 10 are in the up-and-down (4 in one group unfortunately). ...and this was the 3rd season of KeSPa participating, out of 14-16 total seasons? You sure showed me, an ESF established league having "1" more player in the Round of 8 indicates it's superiority, despite KeSPA players only having 4 players in Code S this season (vs 28 non-KeSPA).
Why don't you just admit you are bias towards KESPA and call it a day.
Anyone can see looking at the GSL that KESPA aren't any better by simply looking at amount of Code S player they have and how terrible they have been at moving up into Code S, notably the up and downs.
PL provides little to the conversation since 99% of the players are KESPA. You should know the insignificance of that data since its math and all.
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On March 04 2013 19:02 Jarree wrote:
They need to send Idra in. He will break the gg-tl curse by refusing to gg.
Idra just got 3-0 by Minigun.... he would get fucking destroyed in Proleague
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It looks like they've unleashed a monster...
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14 pages for EGTL match, once there were ~30, still more than any other PL team gets
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Fuck yeah Fantasy. Felt like it was me giving him that hug.
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On March 04 2013 21:15 letian wrote:
14 pages for EGTL match, once there were ~30, still more than any other PL team gets
it's the twilight days of wol, people aren't quite that hyped
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On March 04 2013 20:27 ymir233 wrote:
Consistency is the nature of professionalism. No excuses.
they are consistent in a way...
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At the begining: man Eg-TL needs to stop sending foreigners cmon they need to go full korean
EG-TL sends korean line up: Cmon man stop sending Puma and JYP they just suck balls, we need Stephano
Stephano arrives: man if only we had Taeja, Stephano, Hero, Taeja, Revival, Jaedong would be unstoppable
EG-TL gets 4-0'ed again: ouch man these KESPA guys are playing with this format for ages it is not fair
This is just embarrassing
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i dont get people saying that EGTL players (some) have different priorities. most of them are not in code S, some are stuck in code a hell, some of them not even in the GSL. what else could they be doing, practising for the internal minesweeper tournament?
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oh wow, 0 maps won. Cant wait to see what happens in HotS edition, Kespa teams do not have deficit of experience there.
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T_T I hope things will be better with Hots... I think players need to stop streaming too, it seems like other teams are always watching.
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On March 04 2013 21:26 renezerg wrote:
At the begining: man Eg-TL needs to stop sending foreigners cmon they need to go full korean
EG-TL sends korean line up: Cmon man stop sending Puma and JYP they just suck balls, we need Stephano
Stephano arrives: man if only we had Taeja, Stephano, Hero, Taeja, Revival, Jaedong would be unstoppable
EG-TL gets 4-0'ed again: ouch man these KESPA guys are playing with this format for ages it is not fair
This is just embarrassing
You took four strawmen, merged them into an abominable straw-frankenstein, and destroyed it! Congratulations, you gain +1 internet discourse.
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Only Stephano, TaeJa and JYP are pulling their weight. Expected more from Jaedong tbf.
HerO, possibly the most overrated player ever? Expected more from Revival as well, ever since he beat the trio from FXO to win the Evil Geniuses a team league match (Tear, Leenock, Gumiho).
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On March 04 2013 20:11 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 20:04 edgeOut wrote:On March 04 2013 19:58 budar wrote:On March 04 2013 19:44 edgeOut wrote:On March 04 2013 19:40 budar wrote:On March 04 2013 19:30 Elroi wrote:On March 04 2013 19:14 Heavenlee wrote:On March 04 2013 19:13 Elroi wrote:On March 04 2013 19:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
wow TaeJa lost to FanTaSy? ouch Yes? The opposit would have been an upset. Do you watch this game? Including Proleague? Fantasy has done terribly in sc2. He might have had a rough time but fantasy is just way more skilled than Taeja. In BW, yes. In SC2, not even close :D Yeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right? What? :D He lost one BO1, and just the other day played in the RO4 in the strongest tournament on the planet, also infested with Zerg who are destroying Terran. That alone trumps anything Fantasy has done in SC2 (that being nothing), so there's no point in listing like a page of his other achievemtns. So Fantasy is "just way more skilled than Taeja" because he beat him in a BO1? HA HA, that's funny as hell :D. And I'm not even a Taeja fan, but this is some seriously next level logic right there :D What are you talking about, I was acknowledging Taeja is far more skilled than Fantasy, problem is skill just doesn't count. yea, skill doesn't count when one player loses but it's also everything when that same player wins, right? rofl, this is Fantasy son, maybe sc2 isn't his game just yet, but he certainly has more skill than any Esf/foreigner.
You are being trolled, son. 
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I think Jaedong's skill will increase with HoTS as the builds favour him much more now. Roach hydra is much more micro intensive, especially against Storm and I think Jaedong is going to be the first player to actually bother to dodge storms (I still can't believe Idra yesterday).
Either way I'm just super happy that SKT and especially my main man Fantasy won <3
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This is kind of sad in a cruel, unsentimental kind of way.
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On March 04 2013 21:36 Abominous wrote:
Only Stephano, TaeJa and JYP are pulling their weight. Expected more from Jaedong tbf.
HerO, possibly the most overrated player ever? Expected more from Revival as well, ever since he beat the trio from FXO to win the Evil Geniuses a team league match (Tear, Leenock, Gumiho).
Well, HerO didn't even get to play today :D
Unless you're talking about his general performance.
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