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Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
March 04 2013 10:14 GMT
#221
On March 04 2013 19:13 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
wow TaeJa lost to FanTaSy? ouch

Yes? The opposit would have been an upset.



Do you watch this game? Including Proleague? Fantasy has done terribly in sc2.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 10:15:52
March 04 2013 10:15 GMT
#222
On March 04 2013 19:03 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Guys he is saying the LAST 16 games. If you count that stephano win it is 1-16 in the last 4 matches... still 16 game loss in a row because Stephano won the first map of the first of these 4 matches.
EDIT: 1-16


That's exactly what I just said.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 04 2013 10:16 GMT
#223
I still don't get the point of having players like Zenio, JYP or Puma within one of the hardest teamleague competitions when they don't even have any good foreign results lately (2012 to now). Every EG-TL loss is no surprise to me, on the contrary. It needs more than Stephano and TaeJa to carry. HerO is no more on top of his game, and the rest of the roster feels like a solid MLG group stage, not like a ProLeague roster. EG-TL really has to change some players or leave the competition. Sorry.
Radioman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada904 Posts
March 04 2013 10:16 GMT
#224
On March 04 2013 19:14 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
I think that is an interesting point, you see foreigner Koreans decline because not by any curse but because their training is so much less restrictive and strenuous. It must feel like an Amish at Rumspring in comparison especially poolside at the EG house in sunny AZ.

Asia is a weird place. Did you see China builds skyscrapers because of government just creating jobs for people, middle class Chinese buy homes just for investment you have empty cities and 20 million homeless. Also nobody lives in a place almost as developed as Manhattan.

Random thought I know but my point is Asians are crazy, notice how in the videos almost none have girlfriends none have time. We always wonder why they are so awkward on stage how many even have social time with humans?

I hope this isn't coming off as player bashing I am just saying nobody could ever match Korean work ethics. Their culture is intense which is why they develop such phenomenal talent. As Iron sharpens Iron.


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nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
March 04 2013 10:16 GMT
#225
On March 04 2013 19:04 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:02 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:59 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:55 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:54 SniXSniPe wrote:
KeSPA teams > ESF teams


In what universe is EG-TL an ESF team?


I didn't say that. I was making an indirect comparison because HerO and TaeJa are Code S level (if not high level Code S) and are getting stomped in a KeSPA league vs a league composed of mostly ESF teams/players.


That comparison is terrible, they're completely different leagues with completely different set-ups, best of series, maps, everything.


Because we haven't been seeing KeSPA players performing very successfully recently in GSL despite focusing on Proleague.

Oh wait, 3 KeSPA players in the Ro8 (not including Parting) for Code S.


Oh wait, 5 > 3. Dat math. Finals 1 = 1. more math.

The only "esF" code S player that we've seen in Proleague is Taeja. Hero is not code S now.


Well if we're playing this game, So far there will be 7 Kespa players in Code S next season(counting Parting) out of 21 players. That means there is 14 esF players. Also, even if all kespa players get through the up and downs, there can only be 7 more of them to advance making it to 14 Kespa players and 1 more esF player. Making it 15-14 for esF and that's the best case scenario for Kespa players

Using your logic, and seeing how GSL Code S is the hardest tournament, esF player must be better players! -_-

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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
March 04 2013 10:17 GMT
#226
You guys are seriously trying to do anything you can to make him feel bad about his post. He meant ESF because they play in GSL, like Fionn said, ESF is basically Gom. I agree with him, that technically they arent on an esf team, however, they're playing in an ESF tournament.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
March 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#227
On March 04 2013 19:03 letian wrote:
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On March 04 2013 19:00 PoP wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:59 Tachion wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:55 Yhamm wrote:
they just lost 16 maps in a row... unbelievable

Pretty sure it's 15. They went 1-4 4 matches ago with stephano winning the first game. Starting with that match it would be 0-3, then 3 more straight 0-4's would make it 0-15


Well if Stephano won the first game, it does mean it's 0-16, doesn't it? First match went 1-0 to 1-4.

Really sad times for EG/TL. HoTS should change quite a few things though.

again, for how long would it change things? several rounds, same situation was in WoL, after all other PL teams catch up it shall be just another disappointment.
It is not the game's fault, it is the fault of determination


I agree to some extent. But sometimes a new challenge can help a lot in bringing changes.
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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
March 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#228
On March 04 2013 19:14 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
I think that is an interesting point, you see foreigner Koreans decline because not by any curse but because their training is so much less restrictive and strenuous. It must feel like an Amish at Rumspring in comparison especially poolside at the EG house in sunny AZ.

Asia is a weird place. Did you see China builds skyscrapers because of government just creating jobs for people, middle class Chinese buy homes just for investment you have empty cities and 20 million homeless. Also nobody lives in a place almost as developed as Manhattan.

Random thought I know but my point is Asians are crazy, notice how in the videos almost none have girlfriends none have time. We always wonder why they are so awkward on stage how many even have social time with humans?

I hope this isn't coming off as player bashing I am just saying nobody could ever match Korean work ethics. Their culture is intense which is why they develop such phenomenal talent. As Iron sharpens Iron.


Alot of them have girlfriends...

They have been playing RTS at the highest competetive level longer than any of the EGTL players. They should dominate. The headstart is gone and now experience plays a role.

Kespa teams are more:

Experienced
Prepared
Mechanically superior
Better synergized teamwise

But there is ''shame'' in it, these teams have been here for so many years.

Like artosis point: I seriously believe most of the losses are just due to EGTL streaming and playing in other tournaments, which gives kespa material to prepare for them. Look at the recent rounds, it isn't that they lose, it is that they lose so QUICKLY.

They get straight up countered
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 10:19:21
March 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#229
On March 04 2013 19:15 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:03 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Guys he is saying the LAST 16 games. If you count that stephano win it is 1-16 in the last 4 matches... still 16 game loss in a row because Stephano won the first map of the first of these 4 matches.
EDIT: 1-16


That's exactly what I just said.

I fucked it up because I'm so used to EG-TL only having 4 games per match, that when Stephano wins one I still assume they only have 3 more left to lose! hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa....that's not funny ;(
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Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 10:19:07
March 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#230
On March 04 2013 19:16 nakedsurfer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:04 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:02 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:59 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:55 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:54 SniXSniPe wrote:
KeSPA teams > ESF teams


In what universe is EG-TL an ESF team?


I didn't say that. I was making an indirect comparison because HerO and TaeJa are Code S level (if not high level Code S) and are getting stomped in a KeSPA league vs a league composed of mostly ESF teams/players.


That comparison is terrible, they're completely different leagues with completely different set-ups, best of series, maps, everything.


Because we haven't been seeing KeSPA players performing very successfully recently in GSL despite focusing on Proleague.

Oh wait, 3 KeSPA players in the Ro8 (not including Parting) for Code S.


Oh wait, 5 > 3. Dat math. Finals 1 = 1. more math.

The only "esF" code S player that we've seen in Proleague is Taeja. Hero is not code S now.


Well if we're playing this game, So far there will be 7 Kespa players in Code S next season(counting Parting) out of 21 players. That means there is 14 esF players. Also, even if all kespa players get through the up and downs, there can only be 7 more of them to advance making it to 14 Kespa players and 1 more esF player. Making it 15-14 for esF and that's the best case scenario for Kespa players

Using your logic, and seeing how GSL Code S is the hardest tournament, esF player must be better players! -_-



15 > 14, dat math.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 10:23:21
March 04 2013 10:20 GMT
#231
On March 04 2013 19:04 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:02 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:59 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:55 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:54 SniXSniPe wrote:
KeSPA teams > ESF teams


In what universe is EG-TL an ESF team?


I didn't say that. I was making an indirect comparison because HerO and TaeJa are Code S level (if not high level Code S) and are getting stomped in a KeSPA league vs a league composed of mostly ESF teams/players.


That comparison is terrible, they're completely different leagues with completely different set-ups, best of series, maps, everything.


Because we haven't been seeing KeSPA players performing very successfully recently in GSL despite focusing on Proleague.

Oh wait, 3 KeSPA players in the Ro8 (not including Parting) for Code S.


Oh wait, 5 > 3. Dat math. Finals 1 = 1. more math.

The only "esF" code S player that we've seen in Proleague is Taeja. Hero is not code S now.


Yes, 5 > 3 (this counts Parting, but whatever), but what does that have to do with anything?

My post was simply remarking on KeSPA players showcasing success in GSL.

Since you might fail in comprehending things (you added a snide comment regarding math, FYI I deal with math a lot since I'm a math major, only fair I point out your ignorance),

I'll break it down for you:
KeSPA players are behind in years of experience for SC2
KeSPA players are already breaking into GSL and further (4-5 KeSPA players were in Code S this season, 8-9 are in the up-and-down).
Hero is in the Up-and-down this season, he made Round 8 of GSL last time he was Code S, guess who beat him? Rain 3-0.

TaeJa and HerO, despite being highly rated in GSL have not been performing well in Proleague (you can also include JYP/Revival).


Point being:
KeSPA players were typically composed of players who > ESF players back in BW.
They have better resources.
They have the experience.
They have the motivation/dedication to train.

I'm certain they can play against loaded teams like ST, FXO, MVP, etc. equally.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 10:32:08
March 04 2013 10:24 GMT
#232
On March 04 2013 19:20 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:04 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:02 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:59 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:55 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 18:54 SniXSniPe wrote:
KeSPA teams > ESF teams


In what universe is EG-TL an ESF team?


I didn't say that. I was making an indirect comparison because HerO and TaeJa are Code S level (if not high level Code S) and are getting stomped in a KeSPA league vs a league composed of mostly ESF teams/players.


That comparison is terrible, they're completely different leagues with completely different set-ups, best of series, maps, everything.


Because we haven't been seeing KeSPA players performing very successfully recently in GSL despite focusing on Proleague.

Oh wait, 3 KeSPA players in the Ro8 (not including Parting) for Code S.


Oh wait, 5 > 3. Dat math. Finals 1 = 1. more math.

The only "esF" code S player that we've seen in Proleague is Taeja. Hero is not code S now.


Yes, 5 > 3, but what does that have to do with anything?

My post was simply remarking on KeSPA players showcasing success in GSL.

Since you might fail in comprehending things (you added a snide comment regarding math, FYI I deal with math a lot since I'm a math major, only fair I point out your ignorance),

I'll break it down for you:
KeSPA players are behind in years of experience for SC2
KeSPA players are already breaking into GSL and further (4-5 KeSPA players were in Code S this season, 8-9 are in the up-and-down).
Hero is in the Up-and-down this season, he made Round 8 of GSL last time he was Code S, guess who beat him? Rain 3-0.

TaeJa and HerO, despite being highly rated in GSL have not been performing well in Proleague (you can also include JYP/Revival).


Point being:
KeSPA players were typically composed of players who > ESF players back in BW.
They have better resources.
They have the experience.
They have the motivation/dedication to train.

I'm certain they can play against loaded teams like ST, FXO, MVP, etc. equally.


Rofl, what does being a math major have to do with basic arithmetic? You knowing vector calculus has nothing to do with anything. The rest of it I don't particularly care about. Since you are a math major, you should realize the math points to eSF in the GSL regardless of your excuses for their current minority status. Though Roro beating Symbol would change that because #1 is better than #2.

As for what 5 > 3 has to do with anything, 5 is greater than 3 and you said Kespa > eSF, yet since that 5 belongs to the eSF players one would imagine that that actually makes eSF > Kespa. But since we can't truly consider Taeja, Mc, or Parting eSF players then 3 > 2. Though maybe we could consider Parting and Mc both half-eSF so it's 3 = 3. In which case we do not use a greater than or less than sign.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
March 04 2013 10:25 GMT
#233
On March 04 2013 19:16 boxerfred wrote:
I still don't get the point of having players like Zenio, JYP or Puma within one of the hardest teamleague competitions when they don't even have any good foreign results lately (2012 to now). Every EG-TL loss is no surprise to me, on the contrary. It needs more than Stephano and TaeJa to carry. HerO is no more on top of his game, and the rest of the roster feels like a solid MLG group stage, not like a ProLeague roster. EG-TL really has to change some players or leave the competition. Sorry.


JYP has one of the best records in Proleague out of EG-TL's roster.

Besides, where are these mystery players going to come from? It's not like EG-TL will rapidly improve by deploying Idra, Demuslim, Sheth and TLO, will it? It's not like either team will sign Polt since he's not going back to Korea for a while, either.

Short of some massive player deals happening I don't see either roster changing significantly for a while. Best we can hope for is fortunes changing with HotS.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 04 2013 10:27 GMT
#234
ouch
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5594 Posts
March 04 2013 10:30 GMT
#235
On March 04 2013 19:14 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:13 Elroi wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
wow TaeJa lost to FanTaSy? ouch

Yes? The opposit would have been an upset.



Do you watch this game? Including Proleague? Fantasy has done terribly in sc2.

He might have had a rough time but fantasy is just way more skilled than Taeja.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#236
So sadly predictable.
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 04 2013 10:38 GMT
#237
lol what are they doing? xD
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 04 2013 10:38 GMT
#238
No Bisu
KTY
prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 10:40:07
March 04 2013 10:39 GMT
#239
On March 04 2013 19:38 Xxio wrote:
No Bisu

Hopefully in hots he'll play more
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budar
Profile Joined February 2011
175 Posts
March 04 2013 10:40 GMT
#240
On March 04 2013 19:30 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:14 Heavenlee wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:13 Elroi wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
wow TaeJa lost to FanTaSy? ouch

Yes? The opposit would have been an upset.



Do you watch this game? Including Proleague? Fantasy has done terribly in sc2.

He might have had a rough time but fantasy is just way more skilled than Taeja.

In BW, yes. In SC2, not even close :D
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