EPTYeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right?
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
Yeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right? | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:24 Heavenlee wrote: Rofl, what does being a math major have to do with basic arithmetic? You knowing vector calculus has nothing to do with anything. The rest of it I don't particularly care about. Since you are a math major, you should realize the math points to eSF in the GSL regardless of your excuses for their current minority status. Though Roro beating Symbol would change that because #1 is better than #2. Because it means I understand, that obviously 5 > 3, having a grasp of math already under my belt. You made a stupid comment that makes the assumption I don't understand basic arithmetic, I corrected you that I do, as well as higher level math. Just because I list ">" doesn't mean that I was referring to a numeric quantity. Try reading through the context. Originally the GSL bracket was established with primarily ESF players (a few seeds for KeSPA/foreigners). You expect every KeSPA player to jump in right away? Despite the fact that they have to play through preliminaries (and potentially knock one another out), as well as in the main tournament play against one another? 12 out of 23 of the players who qualified for Code A this season were from KeSPA. 19 out of the players in Code A (not including any of the players in Code S who dropped down) were from KeSPA (20 including BaBy). Out of those 20, 3 move on directly to Code S, while 10 are in the up-and-down (4 in one group unfortunately). ...and this was the 3rd season of KeSPa participating, out of 14-16 total seasons? You sure showed me, an ESF established league having "1" more player in the Round of 8 indicates it's superiority, despite KeSPA players only having 4 players in Code S this season (vs 28 non-KeSPA). | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:44 edgeOut wrote: Yeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right? inb4. "HIS WRISTS". | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:44 edgeOut wrote: Yeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right? bear > roro | ||
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gn1k
United States441 Posts
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:44 edgeOut wrote: Yeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right? I don;t understand anyone in this thread. Kespa players winning a BO1 and all of the sudden they're amazing but when foreigners win BO1's or even a BO3 at foreign events against any korean, they're still shit and just got lucky. It actually makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyways, I think it was an upset that fantasy won because TaeJa's the one who made it to the RO4 in code S and has some achievements in SC2. Whereas fantasy started out well but is struggling none the less. He didn't particularly impress me today either even with this win. | ||
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
Exactly, confirmed skill doesn't count. | ||
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budar
175 Posts
However, arguing that most of these KeSPA players are some world beaters is ridiculous. Sure, there are a dozen or so who can legitimately compete in GSL/weekend tournaments, but I seriously doubt your "random KeSPA player" reliably gets through a stacked MLG open bracket, let alone to top8 or whatever. This is actually somewhat proven by how few of them have made it to code A. And these "random KeSPA players" are beating multiple-time weekend tournament champions on EG-TL. It's just the nature of the game. | ||
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ogion
New Zealand79 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:46 SniXSniPe wrote: Because it means I understand, that obviously 5 > 3, having a grasp of math already under my belt. You made a stupid comment that makes the assumption I don't understand basic arithmetic, I corrected you that I do, as well as higher level math. Just because I list ">" doesn't mean that I was referring to a numeric quantity. Try reading through the context. Originally the GSL bracket was established with primarily ESF players (a few seeds for KeSPA/foreigners). You expect every KeSPA player to jump in right away? Despite the fact that they have to play through preliminaries (and potentially knock one another out), as well as in the main tournament play against one another? 12 out of 23 of the players who qualified for Code A this season were from KeSPA. 19 out of the players in Code A (not including any of the players in Code S who dropped down) were from KeSPA (20 including BaBy). Out of those 20, 3 move on directly to Code S, while 10 are in the up-and-down (4 in one group unfortunately). ...and this was the 3rd season of KeSPa participating, out of 14-16 total seasons? You sure showed me, an ESF established league having "1" more player in the Round of 8 indicates it's superiority, despite KeSPA players only having 4 players in Code S this season (vs 28 non-KeSPA). That whole code b point works against you. If what you say is true, and KeSPA are better, but their players haven't gotten a chance to get into GSL, then shouldn't all these KeSPA players be owning the code b esf players? Instead 12 KeSPA advanced, 11 esf, which isn't that high considering the number of esf players already in. | ||
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ogion
New Zealand79 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:50 nakedsurfer wrote: I don;t understand anyone in this thread. Kespa players winning a BO1 and all of the sudden they're amazing but when foreigners win BO1's or even a BO3 at foreign events against any korean, they're still shit and just got lucky. It actually makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyways, I think it was an upset that fantasy won because TaeJa's the one who made it to the RO4 in code S and has some achievements in SC2. Whereas fantasy started out well but is struggling none the less. He didn't particularly impress me today either even with this win. I'd say that considering it's proleague there isn;t really a favourite | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:14 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I hope this isn't coming off as player bashing I am just saying nobody could ever match Korean work ethics. Their culture is intense which is why they develop such phenomenal talent. As Iron sharpens Iron. There are plenty of individuals in the western world who are as committed to their profession (and/or passion). It may not be so widespread as it is in Asia, but there will always be exceptional individuals who break the cultural mold and do it regardless. But there's none of those left in the Starcraft scene - because none of the teams do anything to stimulate or encourage such behavior in their players, even when the players themselves start on the right path and are prepared to commit 100%. Huk and Jinro were the hardest workers in the oGs house when they were doing well, but when they grew a little too relaxed and comfortable, there was nobody to push them to do better and keep working as hard. | ||
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budar
175 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:44 edgeOut wrote: Yeah, that's why Taeja lost to 8-game losing streak Fantasy. Skill just doesn't count in SC2, right? What? :D He lost one BO1, and just the other day played in the RO4 in the strongest tournament on the planet, also infested with Zerg who are destroying Terran. That alone trumps anything Fantasy has done in SC2 (that being nothing), so there's no point in listing like a page of his other achievemtns. So Fantasy is "just way more skilled than Taeja" because he beat him in a BO1? HA HA, that's funny as hell :D. And I'm not even a Taeja fan, but this is some seriously next level logic right there :D | ||
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On March 04 2013 19:58 budar wrote: What? :D He lost one BO1, and just the other day played in the RO4 in the strongest tournament on the planet, also infested with Zerg who are destroying Terran. That alone trumps anything Fantasy has done in SC2 (that being nothing), so there's no point in listing like a page of his other achievemtns. So Fantasy is "just way more skilled than Taeja" because he beat him in a BO1? HA HA, that's funny as hell :D. And I'm not even a Taeja fan, but this is some seriously next level logic right there :D What are you talking about, I was acknowledging Taeja is far more skilled than Fantasy, problem is skill just doesn't count. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Well, fantasy points for Fantasy at least. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 04 2013 20:04 edgeOut wrote: What are you talking about, I was acknowledging Taeja is far more skilled than Fantasy, problem is skill just doesn't count. yea, skill doesn't count when one player loses but it's also everything when that same player wins, right? rofl, this is Fantasy son, maybe sc2 isn't his game just yet, but he certainly has more skill than any Esf/foreigner. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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eXeZerg
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
Consistency is the nature of professionalism. No excuses. | ||
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