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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 18 2013 12:04 GMT
#861
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

well if you keep that opinion haha then the switch to HOTS would never happen
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 18 2013 12:05 GMT
#862
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

It sucks for people like innovation who were on the cusp of something great in WoL but now have to play hots. Reminds me of at the end of BW if we were going to see a new era of fantasy/jangbi as they seemed just a class above everyone but that'll remain forever a mystery.
Glorious SEA doto
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
February 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#863
damn i missed FBH
hey man just curious
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 12:09:35
February 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#864
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.


WoL going longer would just mean that all tournaments would push back HotS stuff and we'd be in the same situation in 4 months time. There would be 0 difference. And then when they eventually switch to HotS, we'd get the exact same stuff again.

So I enjoy this searching in the new game for builds, strategies and techniques. This is the time period where we see stuff and go "Omg you can do that!?" before we get to the time period where we go "Now that's some exquisitely refined play you have there sir".

I like seeing both which is why come the later stages of WoL I started getting into LoL a bit more because I have less of an understanding and I'm still amazed by a lot of strategies. Though sc2 still some of the highest level gameplay at pro level around and I like watching people reach at and push these boundaries too.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 18 2013 12:12 GMT
#865
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

I'd much rather go through the instability and unpredictability of HotS than sit through any more WoL. Most of the matchups in WoL are just garbage anymore.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 18 2013 12:15 GMT
#866
On February 18 2013 21:05 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

It sucks for people like innovation who were on the cusp of something great in WoL but now have to play hots. Reminds me of at the end of BW if we were going to see a new era of fantasy/jangbi as they seemed just a class above everyone but that'll remain forever a mystery.


I dunno. Innovation's aggressive style actually lends itself to HoTS game play. And the game is always changing (granted, HoTS is a bigger change) but changes nerfs, buffs, and map changes shifts the game quite a bit as well. So players are always adjusting.

kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
February 18 2013 12:16 GMT
#867
On February 17 2013 08:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
DRG is a really good Zerg as well so watch out for him.


And the trophy for Most Obvious Statement of the Year goes to you, Sir.
Wisemen speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they have to say something.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 18 2013 12:23 GMT
#868
On February 18 2013 21:16 kiy0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 08:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
DRG is a really good Zerg as well so watch out for him.


And the trophy for Most Obvious Statement of the Year goes to you, Sir.


*takes a bow*

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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 18 2013 12:24 GMT
#869
On February 18 2013 21:15 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 21:05 Fusilero wrote:
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

It sucks for people like innovation who were on the cusp of something great in WoL but now have to play hots. Reminds me of at the end of BW if we were going to see a new era of fantasy/jangbi as they seemed just a class above everyone but that'll remain forever a mystery.


I dunno. Innovation's aggressive style actually lends itself to HoTS game play. And the game is always changing (granted, HoTS is a bigger change) but changes nerfs, buffs, and map changes shifts the game quite a bit as well. So players are always adjusting.


I would love to see hellbats in the hands of innovation he'd have some sick timings with them probably.
Glorious SEA doto
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 18 2013 12:44 GMT
#870
On February 18 2013 21:15 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 21:05 Fusilero wrote:
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

It sucks for people like innovation who were on the cusp of something great in WoL but now have to play hots. Reminds me of at the end of BW if we were going to see a new era of fantasy/jangbi as they seemed just a class above everyone but that'll remain forever a mystery.


I dunno. Innovation's aggressive style actually lends itself to HoTS game play. And the game is always changing (granted, HoTS is a bigger change) but changes nerfs, buffs, and map changes shifts the game quite a bit as well. So players are always adjusting.


I agree, I think if WoL ran another 4 months Bogus would find his aggressive gambits countered with much higher frequency than they are now (many times he just goes for openings that other people won't try). In HotS though with speedivacs he can still be very aggressive while having a bit more freedom to back out of things when his opponent has shut down an option.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 18 2013 12:53 GMT
#871
Jjakji still a beast
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
February 18 2013 13:36 GMT
#872
zerg players mad after the very first sc2 hots offline tournament games, even though they just dominated for quite long time in WoL, didn't see much rage from them at that point. It is still beta and the builds are not established yet. Ofc there can be some imbalances that's why blizzard release new patches constantly.

I think it is good that we switch into HotS it is easier for blizzard to focus on balance when they can actually see offline tournaments with players, who really are doing everything for the game. If we just tolerate these short games for little while i'm sure it will get better
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 18 2013 14:21 GMT
#873
Missed it live, but saw it now. Reaaaally happy NSH won, and especially in a jjakji dominating fashion! Not unexpected though, with TvZ being way better for terran atm jjakji has no weak matchups.

People who are surprised at his great TvT should check out the GSTL match between him and Mvp a couple of months ago, really insane game.

NSH for GSTL champions, both pre-season and real season!

Also some bragging:+ Show Spoiler +
On February 16 2013 18:47 DJHelium wrote:
NSH for the upset, can't stop the jjakji!

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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 18 2013 14:51 GMT
#874
It's so nice to see NSH do well
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
February 18 2013 15:05 GMT
#875
jjakji vs Dream was great fun, hotdamn.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Apack
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada159 Posts
February 18 2013 15:08 GMT
#876
I liquibeted for MVP and I am very happy to be proven wrong.
removeinfestor
Profile Joined February 2013
Ukraine14 Posts
February 18 2013 15:24 GMT
#877
On February 18 2013 21:05 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 21:02 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After this i wish WoL would go on for some 4 months longer, tournament wise. Hots is such a mess, and this last WoL GSL has been really amazing. Too bad everyone just ditched WoL asap. Sure it makes total sense from progamer point of view, but matches are light years away from if you compare to skill of latecomers of WoL, like Innovation and Roro, and similar quality of games.

It sucks for people like innovation who were on the cusp of something great in WoL but now have to play hots. Reminds me of at the end of BW if we were going to see a new era of fantasy/jangbi as they seemed just a class above everyone but that'll remain forever a mystery.

I don't agree. Bogus' style should work very well in hots and so far Terran seems to be in a better state overall, too.
beautiful fungals
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
February 18 2013 15:26 GMT
#878
So Jjakji is still quite sick then.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
February 18 2013 16:17 GMT
#879
Good start for Hoseo. Despite it being a preseason match, I'm glad they got a win.
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
February 18 2013 17:13 GMT
#880
Crap, where's my Tassadar
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
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