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On February 13 2013 08:24 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:59 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 07:58 shid0x wrote:
Not cheesing or not korean ?
You can't beat phano. more like: not playing sc2? You can't beat phano. People (or you? haven't been checking names) keep bringing that up. Who cares? Is Titan is too careless to turn down an invite, or practice for a qualifier, it's entirely his fault for putting on an embarassing performance.
True. But we should put Stephano's performance into perspective and if his opponnent was terribad, we shouldn't start the hype-train. (Even though I'm a huge stephano fanboy and would like to do that.) I would love to see Stephano against players like Grubby/Babyknight/SaSe to really see his skill level in hots zvp.
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Nice to have a Zerg thru, convincing win by Stephano.
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On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker.
LOL
Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE.
NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about?
Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes.
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On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes.
Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore.
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On February 13 2013 09:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes. Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore.
How many hands and at what limits? I made more than you every year for the past 8. Trust me I know what I am talking about and i don't even disagree with you on the starcraft vs poker and ease of making money point. Its just your thoughts on the % of players who win and who could make a living is off by a factor of at least 10.
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Your made up statistics are less accurate than my made up statistics.
...fucking internet
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40% of people can't make money in poker. Most people are terrible, and will just quickly lose everything to the people who do make a profit.
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On February 13 2013 09:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes. Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore.
winning 6k playing casually makes you as much of a winner in poker(in the long run) as beating idra on ladder once makes you a progamer. Variance.
He is right about PTR showing 10% winning players, although part of the reason its that low is that winning players always try to move up.
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On February 13 2013 10:52 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:22 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes. Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore. winning 6k playing casually makes you as much of a winner in poker(in the long run) as beating idra on ladder once makes you a progamer. Variance. He is right about PTR showing 10% winning players, although part of the reason its that low is that winning players always try to move up.
Oh god what have I done. :D
Man I know about variance, I actually used to play a lot and beat nl50 over a high sample size and was about breakeven on nl100, earning "good money" from the rakeback on FTP back then.( Right before FTP went down.) In the last year the 6k were mostly mtt winnings, so yes this is variance to some extent. I meant 15-20% out of the players who actually make a real effort to get good at the game, like let's say a masters player in sc2, will make good money playing it. Compared to only very few top players making any money in sc2.
I don't know if that's accurate, I think it could be close. The 40% was bullshit, I give you that. I didn't really think about it, so I'm sorry. Lesson learned: Do not use made up statistics to illustrate your point. Ok, now I'm done here. 
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What happened to Titan was Illegal in most countries.
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On February 13 2013 11:46 KT(Rolster)HaunteR wrote:
What happened to Titan was Illegal in most countries.
I see what you did there... but titan isn't a little girl is he? haha, im just kidding. stephano played great! im so glad that he seems to get over this little slump he seemed to have been having. it looks like korea has treated him well!
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