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During the MLG Winter Season Showdowns, 56 of the world's best StarCraft II players will compete in Heart of the Swarm. Each player will compete in 1 best-of-5 Showdown Match, with each winner receiving a paid trip to compete in the MLG Winter Championship. Tune in and watch every match in FREE 1080p HD at www.majorleaguegaming.com and on Twitch.TV.
 2013 MLG Winter Championship/ShowdownsWeek 1/2 Schedule/VODS+ Show Spoiler +Tonight's match:
 Stephano vs  TitaN![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oxlFS2X.png) www.majorleaguegaming.com Results+ Show Spoiler +Recommended Games+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 1?Yes (3) 75% No (1) 25% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 2?Yes (3) 60% No (2) 40% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 3?Yes (2) 67% No (1) 33% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 4?Yes (2) 50% No (2) 50% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 5?Yes (3) 75% No (1) 25% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano vs Titan Game 5? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Stephano vs Titan will be analyzed following the Mana vs Bly match on Wednesday, Feb 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Note: In each Winter Season Showdown match, both Players will veto three Maps. Invite-Only online matches; Winner takes all, Best of five games The 28 winners will receive placement at the Winter Championship in Dallas from March 15-17 where they will compete with Life, Leenock, Flash and Bomber.
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United States33560 Posts
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TitaN fighting!
Maybe he has a shot, I don't know, but I wish!
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RIP titan.
Will probably get 3-0'd in a sick fashion
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Would love to see Titan pull this one out, but damn it feels like MLG is throwing a softball at Stephano.
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He beat Stephano in that Raidcall Invitational tourney last year, maybe he can do it again. Especially with KR-EU lag at his advantage.
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Zergs are currently 0-6 (series) in these MLG Show matches. (I won't spoil last 2 - they were on Gisado's stream)
If Stephano loses...... SMH
Still, better to be under powered in beta than when SC2 releases
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On February 12 2013 12:15 Glon wrote:
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If Stephano loses...... SMH
Still, better to be under powered in beta than when SC2 releases
That's kind of a spoiler on its own, better remove.
On February 12 2013 12:12 VoirDire wrote:
He beat Stephano in that Raidcall Invitational tourney last year, maybe he can do it again. Especially with KR-EU lag at his advantage.
Russians usually have no lag advantage over KR. It can be even worse for them.
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On February 12 2013 12:03 NotSorry wrote:
Would love to see Titan pull this one out, but damn it feels like MLG is throwing a softball at Stephano.
Wait, really?
Titan, a player who in the past, in Wings of Liberty, has, at times, beaten zergs such as Curious, Scarlett, Nerchio, Revival, Losira, Hyun, Golden, Violet, and Stephano, is...a softball?
Sure, Stephano's the favourite, but Titan has proven himself dangerous in the past.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
GO STEPHANO!
Titan <3
but stephano is blueeeeeee
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On February 12 2013 12:15 Glon wrote:
Zergs are currently 0-6 (series) in these MLG Show matches. (I won't spoil last 2 - they were on Gisado's stream)
If Stephano loses...... SMH
Still, better to be under powered in beta than when SC2 releases
You sure cry a lot.
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I think Titan will have this one, Zergs really having problems in HotS so far
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And I think Stephano hasn't really practiced HotS that much yet
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Russian Federation210 Posts
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Hope titan goes through, going to dallas is a rare opportunity for him meanwhile for stephano it would be just another tournament.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
hmmm i think i shall cheer for titan!
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Hoping for Stephano but I fear his ZvZ might be off. :§
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In WoL i would say Stephano 100%, but Protoss early game in HotS seems super good with MSC.
By the way, I think these matches don't reflect whats going in HotS 'metagame' at all. These matches are acutally at a pretty high stake (all expenses paid trip is very nice) - so it seems the players rely on the traditional stuff from WoL more, as they don't really trust their experimental stuff they do on ladder.
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On February 12 2013 18:00 llIH wrote:
Hoping for Stephano but I fear his ZvZ might be off. :§
Ah yeah, and I thought Titan is a P....
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Will be fun but I think they are both not good in hots yet^^.
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Titan was one of the best build creators in WoL, I'm sure he has something special now. If he plays enough HotS he will destroy Stephano.
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On February 12 2013 19:26 rafaliusz wrote:
Titan was one of the best build creators in WoL, I'm sure he has something special now. If he plays enough HotS he will destroy Stephano.
because stephano is not known to create builds and make them standard for the next six months....
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A bit biased against Titan from all those months where the foreigner rankings have been Stephano +4 European weekly tournament winners.
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It all depends on who has played the most HotS imo, but I would give the favor to Stephano.
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On February 12 2013 12:15 Glon wrote:
Zergs are currently 0-6 (series) in these MLG Show matches. (I won't spoil last 2 - they were on Gisado's stream)
If Stephano loses...... SMH
Still, better to be under powered in beta than when SC2 releases
.... what makes you think there is a reverse correlation?
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No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2
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From the games I've watched, it looks extremely like early Wings - somebody does a timing and roflstomps the other player with it because they didn't know the timing.
Zergs do worse than any other race in those scenarios (since they have to swap to unit production ahead of the timing), so Zergs will probably do badly unless they're very well practiced.
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On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2
Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage.
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On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2
Lol no, i don't think any foreign protoss has a winning record against Stephano...(btw their H2H is 7-3 in Stephano's favor).
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Poll: Who will win ?Stephano (14) 58% TitaN (10) 42% 24 total votes Your vote: Who will win ? (Vote): Stephano
(Vote): TitaN
Gogo Stephano !
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Not sure how much HotS TitaN has been playing, but since I haven't seen him in many tournaments lately, I'll assume he's played at least as much as Stephano. Still, gonna give Stephano the edge. 3-2
On February 12 2013 18:00 llIH wrote:
Hoping for Stephano but I fear his ZvZ might be off. :§
TitaN plays Protoss...
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On February 13 2013 02:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Lol no, i don't think any foreign protoss has a winning record against Stephano...(btw their H2H is 7-3 in Stephano's favor).
Oops! I was thinking of BabyKnight. Should be an interesting match either way.
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On February 13 2013 02:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Lol no, i don't think any foreign protoss has a winning record against Stephano...(btw their H2H is 7-3 in Stephano's favor).
Babyknight is 4-4, the closest we've got. fraer is 2-2 against him.
Actually, Naniwa is 2-0 against Stephano.
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MLG banner couldnt find an updated picture of Stephano in EG jersey?
but as long as Titan doesnt go air toss 5 games in a row, Steph should be fine
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STEPHANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I like Titan also but fuck.
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Has Stephano practiced a lot of HotS? I also heard that Titan has been playing poker recently a lot for financial reasons.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Assuming Stephano has gotten a little HoTS playtime, I'm giving this to him 3-2, but Titan is quite underrated and might take this 3-1 or even 3-0 depending on how much HoTS he has played.
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How far in advanced are these games played if anyone knows? I am going off the assumption these games aren't played live but are a prerecording (not replay)
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This is Stephano! Do we even need to even pretend Titan has a chance??
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 13 2013 06:14 striderxxx wrote:
This is Stephano! Do we even need to even pretend Titan has a chance??
I believe Titan has beaten Stephano before.
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Those games are played live right? cause i saw stephano retweet that shit like 5 minutes ago and when a player retweets an already played game but not yet broadcasted then i already fucking know who wins. Has happened alot to me.
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On February 13 2013 06:38 Enel wrote:
Those games are played live right? cause i saw stephano retweet that shit like 5 minutes ago and when a player retweets an already played game but not yet broadcasted then i already fucking know who wins. Has happened alot to me.
Nah, casted from replays. You could argue that it's probably not Stephano tweeting, and that Stephano's media person (hi Anjellycar :3) doesn't know the result.
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stephano said he doesn't like HotS, and Titan is a totally underrated beast. my money's on Titan in a close one
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On February 13 2013 06:50 LeeDawg wrote:
stephano said he doesn't like HotS, and Titan is a totally underrated beast. my money's on Titan in a close one
Titan has only practiced for like a week right now and the games were probably played several days ago as always.
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phew made it just in time, Stephanooo000oooooooblarrghhhhhhhh :q
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Gogo Titan, do the Titan build! :D
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if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control
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On February 13 2013 07:08 Undead1993 wrote:
if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control
Uhm, no, I doubt it.
It always depends on the games.
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On February 13 2013 07:09 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:08 Undead1993 wrote:
if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control Uhm, no, I doubt it. It always depends on the games.
just reread the nerchio thread <3
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On February 13 2013 07:09 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:08 Undead1993 wrote:
if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control Uhm, no, I doubt it. It always depends on the games.
Especially since Titan's been playing mostly poker and Stephano is preparing for WoL GSL and Proleague. I doubt either of them have a ton of experience, unless Titan's been mind gaming us Stephano-style by saying he isn't practicing much when he really is.
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On February 13 2013 07:11 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:09 StarVe wrote:On February 13 2013 07:08 Undead1993 wrote:
if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control Uhm, no, I doubt it. It always depends on the games. Especially since Titan's been playing mostly poker and Stephano is preparing for WoL GSL and Proleague. I doubt either of them have a ton of experience, unless Titan's been mind gaming us Stephano-style by saying he isn't practicing much when he really is.
I doubt Stephano reads Russian forums. :D
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It looks really hard to be aggressive against P in early/mid-game
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On February 13 2013 07:16 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:11 Swords wrote:On February 13 2013 07:09 StarVe wrote:On February 13 2013 07:08 Undead1993 wrote:
if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control Uhm, no, I doubt it. It always depends on the games. Especially since Titan's been playing mostly poker and Stephano is preparing for WoL GSL and Proleague. I doubt either of them have a ton of experience, unless Titan's been mind gaming us Stephano-style by saying he isn't practicing much when he really is. I doubt Stephano reads Russian forums. :D
Iliev Satourov
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wow the ffs were really really bad
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kiting with hydras, how long did we have to wait for this :D
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On February 13 2013 07:16 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:11 Swords wrote:On February 13 2013 07:09 StarVe wrote:On February 13 2013 07:08 Undead1993 wrote:
if stephano loses here the balance discussion gets out of control Uhm, no, I doubt it. It always depends on the games. Especially since Titan's been playing mostly poker and Stephano is preparing for WoL GSL and Proleague. I doubt either of them have a ton of experience, unless Titan's been mind gaming us Stephano-style by saying he isn't practicing much when he really is. I doubt Stephano reads Russian forums. :D
hahaha! good point
EDIT: That game seemed very winnable for Titan if he had just built colossi instead of switching all the way to storm when he didn't even have a twilight council yet.
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Why do they even show this? Even a platinum player wouldnt engage hydras without AoE.
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Pretty sweet game, lots of exchanges throughout. Roaches and hydras. HotStephano? ^^
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I don't know if HotS is going to be strategic enough to pull me back watching SCII. It kinda feels like watching WoL.
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Stephano : "Zerg weak ? LOL"
OK it's just one game. :p
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On February 13 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:
Stephano : "Zerg weak ? LOL"
OK it's just one game. :p
hydras would do that to a toss army in WoL too
titan had plenty of time to get colossus
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On February 13 2013 07:25 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:
Stephano : "Zerg weak ? LOL"
OK it's just one game. :p hydras would do that to a toss army in WoL too titan had plenty of time to get colossus
Yeah, looked like he didn't know they were coming, weird.
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He used 2 time warps and didn't use photon overcharge in the last fight.
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Titan's control the whole game was just horrible. Lost each oracle, lost his first core immediately, etc
He used 2 time warps and didn't use photon overcharge in the last fight.
I noticed that too. He forcefields so the front half can't move away, then he time warps them. What?
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lets see how this life style roach push fares against planetary nexus
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why does titan not have a msc !?
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LOL, how does he die to this? How bad was his build that he can't defend against 2 base Roaches?
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800 gas? As a protoss? Really?
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i dont get it, how did that build even work?
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That looked shockingly easy.
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"A Mothership Core ? Where ?"
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What was Titan thinking? No third base -> no reaction, no cannons.
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Apparently poker is not a good way to prepare for a bo5 in SC2.
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scout no 3rd base from zerg, prepared to take a 3rd at 8 minutes, dafuq titan plays bad
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 13 2013 07:35 sitromit wrote:
Apparently poker is not a good way to prepare for a bo5 in SC2.
Shocking, I know!
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Eh, give TitaN a month to catch up and practice and he'll be a contender, obviously you are rusty when you haven't really played for a month and a half.
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United States7166 Posts
On February 13 2013 02:26 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage.
ah, this would explain a lot thanks
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How much money has he won :D?
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It's pretty sad, that someone who plays Poker instead of SC2 to prepare for such an Event gets the spot instead of someone who derserves it. Seems like Titan doesn't really care about MLG.
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On February 13 2013 07:40 GunSec wrote:
How much money has he won :D?
Hopefully enough, he had to play poker because his SC2 earnings aren't enough to make a living so I hope he can concentrate on playing and improving again.
Titan said he'd be able to play at least until summer without breaks now.
On February 13 2013 07:41 TimePlay wrote:
It's pretty sad, that someone who plays Poker instead of SC2 to prepare for such an Event gets the spot instead of someone who derserves it. Seems like Titan doesn't really care about MLG.
Ugh, get a grip on reality. More like he cares about SC2 so he plays poker to be able to continue with it. Not every player is on EG and gets multiple thousand dollars a month.
It's the offseason, probably the best time to take a break if you have to.
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On February 13 2013 07:41 TimePlay wrote:
It's pretty sad, that someone who plays Poker instead of SC2 to prepare for such an Event gets the spot instead of someone who derserves it. Seems like Titan doesn't really care about MLG.
Well it's not titan's fault that they invited him.
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The best information we have is from what Titan himself posted on a russian forum. He said he started practicing a week ago, and that he had to play poker to earn money. Not that hard to understand.
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And that's actually a story I'd like the casters to talk about once in a while, because it's pretty eye-opening about the hardships you go through as a progamer and it actually adds personality and makes you emotionally invested into the players, something the two Ax's really need to improve in, because all they're mentioning about players is pretty bland phrases like "he's very talented" "he's very underrated" and "Stephano. He's good, man.".
TitaN, top 16 player at the WCS finals can't make a living out of playing professionally.
Some people are still delusional about this kind of stuff.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
It sucks but it's understandable for titan, off season means there isn't much money around and you gotta pay your bills and buy your food so it's not realistic for non-salaried (Afaik) players like titan to practise and not start doing things like play poker to get through the off season.
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Titan has been hardened by russian winter and vodka. Axslav with the insights.
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On February 13 2013 07:44 m0ck wrote:
The best information we have is from what Titan himself posted on a russian forum. He said he started practicing a week ago, and that he had to play poker to earn money. Not that hard to understand.
To be fair, he also said in that post that he gets tired of the same old thing and needed a break. It's possible that if he really wanted to, he would have been able to find some time to practice in between poker sessions. 
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Noooo, missed the first 2 games and half of the probable last one...
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Why did titan move out before blink was done.
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Stephano hair>titan hair!
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Lol, this was a terrible series. I'm not unhappy by any means though, gg stephano
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Titans play is just terrible >_>
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Congrats, MLG's invite system really paying off.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Well that's a shame, oh well when tournaments are back on titan should be stable enough to practice on a regular basis then we'll see much much better play.
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Worst Blink all in in history.
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This series was more one-sided than a mobius strip.
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On February 13 2013 07:53 StarVe wrote:Congrats, MLG's invite system really paying off.
Easiest way of making sure to get viewers? match up stephano against someone who havent played SC2 in a while >_>
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ccc combo breaker!
A zerg finally makes it >.>
roach all day err day
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Titan got rolled there. WP Stephano.
Stephanoaches too strong.
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complete and utter rofflestomp, terrible series
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Anyone want to recap the first 2 games?
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On February 13 2013 07:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This series was more one-sided than a mobius strip.
Greetings from Seoul, Korea.
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On February 13 2013 07:55 Ghanburighan wrote:
Anyone want to recap the first 2 games?
game 1: stephano builds hydras, wins
game 2: stephano builds roaches, wins
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On February 13 2013 07:55 Girondelle wrote:
complete and utter rofflestomp, terrible series
So far all the series have been crap anyway.
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I've seen a lot of people post comments like "immediately turned off the stream when I saw it was WoL" in tournament threads recently but I'm actually kinda the opposite, HotS really bores me at the moment, the games these tournaments show don't look interesting at all and I'm glad when I can watch WoL tournaments.
Only time HotS is watchable is on streams from players who have practiced HotS for a long time because they hit opponents who know what they're doing.
As expected, the transition period is a mess, and I enjoy watching the more stable version of StarCraft.
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Yeah, i don't even like Stephano but he has way better mechanics than Titan. Both micro and macro.
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On February 13 2013 07:44 m0ck wrote:
The best information we have is from what Titan himself posted on a russian forum. He said he started practicing a week ago, and that he had to play poker to earn money. Not that hard to understand.
Yeah, if you are short on money and need a stable income you play poker, makes sense. I could understand it, if he took a job to earn some money for his livings; consequently, not having too much time for practicing.
But this sounds more like he got bored of playing Sc2 and wants to play something else. And I don't blame him for that, but it's just anticlimactic to see players like him getting invited and crushed in completly onesided games...
P.S. I know you can earn money by playing poker, but it's not the safest thing, if you are not playing fulltime for a longer period.
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Not cheesing or not korean ?
You can't beat phano.
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On February 13 2013 02:26 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage.
can i get a link
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I think the first game was pretty good with a lot of aggression. Then an all-in from stephano and a blind-counter to the blink-stalkers in game 3. This is SC2. It's no different from any other tournament. Go watch code A and see if it is any different.
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On February 13 2013 07:58 shid0x wrote:
Not cheesing or not korean ?
You can't beat phano.
more like: not playing sc2?
You can't beat phano.
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On February 13 2013 07:58 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:26 sitromit wrote:On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage. can i get a link
http://goodgame.ru/topic/50109/?comment=2664167
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On February 13 2013 07:58 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 02:26 sitromit wrote:On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage. can i get a link
http://goodgame.ru/topic/50109/?comment=2664167
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Why do so many progamers go into poker >_>
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Bahh, I had to leave. How did the 3rd game go?
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hahahahahaha le reddit le XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
User was warned for this post
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On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_>
If you're good at it, it is a good way to make money quickly.
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On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_>
This is something I've also wondered. Is this a western only phenomenon, or do Koreans do this as well?
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On February 13 2013 07:56 StarVe wrote:
I've seen a lot of people post comments like "immediately turned off the stream when I saw it was WoL" in tournament threads recently but I'm actually kinda the opposite, HotS really bores me at the moment, the games these tournaments show don't look interesting at all and I'm glad when I can watch WoL tournaments.
Only time HotS is watchable is on streams from players who have practiced HotS for a long time because they hit opponents who know what they're doing.
As expected, the transition period is a mess, and I enjoy watching the more stable version of StarCraft.
That's why it is a bad thing for the competitive aspect of the game that all tournaments switch to HotS when it is out.
But it'll bring more viewers, so I guess we'll have to deal with it.
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On February 13 2013 07:56 StarVe wrote:
I've seen a lot of people post comments like "immediately turned off the stream when I saw it was WoL" in tournament threads recently but I'm actually kinda the opposite, HotS really bores me at the moment, the games these tournaments show don't look interesting at all and I'm glad when I can watch WoL tournaments.
Only time HotS is watchable is on streams from players who have practiced HotS for a long time because they hit opponents who know what they're doing.
As expected, the transition period is a mess, and I enjoy watching the more stable version of StarCraft.
I totally agree with you and I'm really glad that IPL6 is on WoL. Major tournaments shouldn't have switch to HotS before 1 or 2 months after the release. Nobody will be ready to show their best level.
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On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_>
The top 15-20% of poker players make good money.
The top <1% of sc2 players make good money.
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On February 13 2013 08:00 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:58 1Dhalism wrote:On February 13 2013 02:26 sitromit wrote:On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage. can i get a link http://goodgame.ru/topic/50109/?comment=2664167
On February 13 2013 07:59 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:58 1Dhalism wrote:On February 13 2013 02:26 sitromit wrote:On February 13 2013 02:17 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No zergs have won yet, Stephano has been having to focus on WoL for proleague, Titan is one of the most underrated protosses out there and might even have a winning record against Stephano if i remember correctly. But Stephano is stephano... hmm It's going to be close but I got Titan 3-2 Titan hasn't been playing SC at all recently, has been playing poker instead according to his posts in a Russian forum which someone linked to yesterday. Unless playing poker is better practice for HotS than playing WoL, Stephano should be the one with the advantage. can i get a link http://goodgame.ru/topic/50109/?comment=2664167
Thanks. That's a really cool approach for a progamer to have.
On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_>
Afaik he's not going into poker but rather he came to Sc2 from poker. What he said basically was because he was performing poorly in Sc2 he had to play poker to support himself financially. So unlike Stephano whos going to the bank, Titan is actually going from the bank to support his passion for SC2.
Which i think is really really cool.
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On February 13 2013 08:06 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:56 StarVe wrote:
I've seen a lot of people post comments like "immediately turned off the stream when I saw it was WoL" in tournament threads recently but I'm actually kinda the opposite, HotS really bores me at the moment, the games these tournaments show don't look interesting at all and I'm glad when I can watch WoL tournaments.
Only time HotS is watchable is on streams from players who have practiced HotS for a long time because they hit opponents who know what they're doing.
As expected, the transition period is a mess, and I enjoy watching the more stable version of StarCraft. That's why it is a bad thing for the competitive aspect of the game that all tournaments switch to HotS when it is out. But it'll bring more viewers, so I guess we'll have to deal with it.
The problem with not doing so is that pros will play whatever game currently has major tournaments. So if tournaments were to stick to wol for a month or two then all that would amount to is delaying the transition for equal time. It would not make it any smoother whatsoever!
The good news is that just like when kespa transitioned and could benefit of an already developed metagame, so will those who just now transition to hots profit from players who have played longer and developed some resemblence of a metagame. At any rate well just have to take the first messy weeks/month or two. 
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On February 13 2013 08:08 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:56 StarVe wrote:
I've seen a lot of people post comments like "immediately turned off the stream when I saw it was WoL" in tournament threads recently but I'm actually kinda the opposite, HotS really bores me at the moment, the games these tournaments show don't look interesting at all and I'm glad when I can watch WoL tournaments.
Only time HotS is watchable is on streams from players who have practiced HotS for a long time because they hit opponents who know what they're doing.
As expected, the transition period is a mess, and I enjoy watching the more stable version of StarCraft. I totally agree with you and I'm really glad that IPL6 is on WoL. Major tournaments shouldn't have switch to HotS before 1 or 2 months after the release. Nobody will be ready to show their best level.
Yeah, it's like the GSL Open Seasons but without the excitement and Tastosis.
But I don't see any way this could have been avoided, it is apparently the smarter business decision and there would always be the overlap of some players still practicing for WoL because there are tournaments for it who have no clue about HotS and some practicing for HotS because they want a headstart and can win money in a less than stable game environment.
It doesn't matter when the switch occurs, it would always hurt some and benefit others so it's better to make the cut immediately after release and get all players on HotS asap so they can accelerate the development of the metagame.
Otherwise we'd end up with shit like the hybrid proleague.
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On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money.
Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money".
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On February 13 2013 07:59 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:58 shid0x wrote:
Not cheesing or not korean ?
You can't beat phano. more like: not playing sc2? You can't beat phano.
People (or you? haven't been checking names) keep bringing that up. Who cares? Is Titan is too careless to turn down an invite, or practice for a qualifier, it's entirely his fault for putting on an embarassing performance.
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On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money".
What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^
And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players.
You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker.
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On February 13 2013 08:18 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:08 Boucot wrote:On February 13 2013 07:56 StarVe wrote:
I've seen a lot of people post comments like "immediately turned off the stream when I saw it was WoL" in tournament threads recently but I'm actually kinda the opposite, HotS really bores me at the moment, the games these tournaments show don't look interesting at all and I'm glad when I can watch WoL tournaments.
Only time HotS is watchable is on streams from players who have practiced HotS for a long time because they hit opponents who know what they're doing.
As expected, the transition period is a mess, and I enjoy watching the more stable version of StarCraft. I totally agree with you and I'm really glad that IPL6 is on WoL. Major tournaments shouldn't have switch to HotS before 1 or 2 months after the release. Nobody will be ready to show their best level. Yeah, it's like the GSL Open Seasons but without the excitement and Tastosis. But I don't see any way this could have been avoided, it is apparently the smarter business decision and there would always be the overlap of some players still practicing for WoL because there are tournaments for it who have no clue about HotS and some practicing for HotS because they want a headstart and can win money in a less than stable game environment. It doesn't matter when the switch occurs, it would always hurt some and benefit others so it's better to make the cut immediately after release and get all players on HotS asap so they can accelerate the development of the metagame. Otherwise we'd end up with shit like the hybrid proleague.
The only other concern would be the balance of HotS, that is way worse than WoL's. But this is more about Blizzard than the tournaments makers.
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Well that went quick. Not going to spoil.
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On February 13 2013 08:24 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:59 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 07:58 shid0x wrote:
Not cheesing or not korean ?
You can't beat phano. more like: not playing sc2? You can't beat phano. People (or you? haven't been checking names) keep bringing that up. Who cares? Is Titan is too careless to turn down an invite, or practice for a qualifier, it's entirely his fault for putting on an embarassing performance.
True. But we should put Stephano's performance into perspective and if his opponnent was terribad, we shouldn't start the hype-train. (Even though I'm a huge stephano fanboy and would like to do that.) I would love to see Stephano against players like Grubby/Babyknight/SaSe to really see his skill level in hots zvp.
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Nice to have a Zerg thru, convincing win by Stephano.
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On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker.
LOL
Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE.
NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about?
Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes.
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On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes.
Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore.
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On February 13 2013 09:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes. Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore.
How many hands and at what limits? I made more than you every year for the past 8. Trust me I know what I am talking about and i don't even disagree with you on the starcraft vs poker and ease of making money point. Its just your thoughts on the % of players who win and who could make a living is off by a factor of at least 10.
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Your made up statistics are less accurate than my made up statistics.
...fucking internet
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40% of people can't make money in poker. Most people are terrible, and will just quickly lose everything to the people who do make a profit.
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On February 13 2013 09:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes. Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore.
winning 6k playing casually makes you as much of a winner in poker(in the long run) as beating idra on ladder once makes you a progamer. Variance.
He is right about PTR showing 10% winning players, although part of the reason its that low is that winning players always try to move up.
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On February 13 2013 10:52 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:22 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 09:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:20 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On February 13 2013 08:08 Awesomeness wrote:On February 13 2013 08:01 MCXD wrote:
Why do so many progamers go into poker >_> The top 15-20% of poker players make good money. The top <1% of sc2 players make good money. Nonsense. Less than 10% of poker players do better than breakeven and quite a lot less than 1% make "good money". What? Considering the rake, I guess like 40% of poker players should do better than breakeven. That will change if they move up in the limits, but still....^^ And "good money" in russia would be like 500-600$ a month and you can do that easily on nl50 or something and I can guarantee that FAR MORE than 1% of poker players can do that. Even if we are talking about 2-3k a month, that would still be much more than 1% of the players. You literally have to be one of the best players in the world to make money playing sc2, you have to have a decent understanding of the game to make money playing poker. LOL Complete and utter nonsense. 40% of poker players do better than breakeven? Not even vaguely close, how could this be the case when the rake at low limits is over 5PTBB/100? Poker table ratings back when it was running for stars and FT showed that something like 5% of players broke even or beat the rake in NLHE. NL50 is not easy to beat, in fact these days it is extremely difficult as it is full of regs and grinders. I can guarantee far far far FAR less than 1% of poker players can make 500$-$600 a month playing poker. I mean just way way less. You obviously don't even play poker so how can you guarantee everything when it is obvious you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about? Decent understanding of the game is first of all completely relative and undefined, secondly, you need a hell of a lot more than decent understanding to beat anything above micro stakes. Dude I made like 6k playing casually last year and I'm definitely not even close to being in the top 1% of poker players. Yeah it got tougher compared to years ago, but it's still not that hard to make decent money playing poker. All I wanted to say is that it's much easier to make money there compared to sc2. But yeah this is a starcraft-forum after all, so I'm not going to derail this thread anymore. winning 6k playing casually makes you as much of a winner in poker(in the long run) as beating idra on ladder once makes you a progamer. Variance. He is right about PTR showing 10% winning players, although part of the reason its that low is that winning players always try to move up.
Oh god what have I done. :D
Man I know about variance, I actually used to play a lot and beat nl50 over a high sample size and was about breakeven on nl100, earning "good money" from the rakeback on FTP back then.( Right before FTP went down.) In the last year the 6k were mostly mtt winnings, so yes this is variance to some extent. I meant 15-20% out of the players who actually make a real effort to get good at the game, like let's say a masters player in sc2, will make good money playing it. Compared to only very few top players making any money in sc2.
I don't know if that's accurate, I think it could be close. The 40% was bullshit, I give you that. I didn't really think about it, so I'm sorry. Lesson learned: Do not use made up statistics to illustrate your point. Ok, now I'm done here.
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What happened to Titan was Illegal in most countries.
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On February 13 2013 11:46 KT(Rolster)HaunteR wrote:
What happened to Titan was Illegal in most countries.
I see what you did there... but titan isn't a little girl is he? haha, im just kidding. stephano played great! im so glad that he seems to get over this little slump he seemed to have been having. it looks like korea has treated him well!
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