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On February 06 2013 20:06 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 06 2013 20:01 Tobblish wrote:On February 06 2013 19:59 Dodgin wrote:
if mvp loses this is the worst gsl day in history for me, I can't think of anything worse. Bisu announcing his retirement of SC2 and switches to LoL? Fixed that for you :x No, the question was something that would be worse. + Show Spoiler +
Oh... I thought it was about a realistic future event, my bad. :/
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Not sure if I should believe, but I hope.
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On February 06 2013 20:05 Confuse wrote:
any real MVP fan does not want MVP to win. they want him to fix his wrists and come back undefeated.
unfortunately I think that would take like at least a year, spine issues...
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SoO go go. make it a complete kespa sweep today.
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If Mvp loses here I will never like soO. Same reason I hate Life with a passion, denying Mvp his fifth GSL.
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Pretty sure soO takes this series. Mvp probably has about 30% chance.
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On February 06 2013 20:07 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:05 Confuse wrote:
any real MVP fan does not want MVP to win. they want him to fix his wrists and come back undefeated. unfortunately I think that would take like at least a year, spine issues...
MVP have said it would take about 2years and that he would retire from progaming.
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On February 06 2013 20:07 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:05 Confuse wrote:
any real MVP fan does not want MVP to win. they want him to fix his wrists and come back undefeated. unfortunately I think that would take like at least a year, spine issues...
It would mean retirement I guess. Although I'd prefer that I think than him playing in pain and playing poorly 
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I miss the Boxer days were Terran would build barracks on a seemingly random place on the map, only to snipe an overseer
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Shut up Khaldor! Mvp has this.
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Yes, the finals vs life were a true sign of weakness for MVP.
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On February 06 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:04 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:50 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:25 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:23 graNite wrote:
Eerrrrr, what? Why do the watchtowers disappear at 7 minutes? The reasoning was that they're too strong after that as you can see pretty much everything important by controlling them I wish this would be implemented for other maps too. I don't, honestly. That would give a big advantage to terran lategame as they would be the only race with constant knowledge of the opponent's army positioning through scans. No, it would give a big advantage to players who are actively scouting the whole game instead of just holding watchtowers to have vision of everything. I think the biggest contributing factor to why games tend to get stale is that it is just too easy to spot incoming attacks. If it is easier to stay defensive and defend against incoming aggression it is not really worth it to get aggressive. On the other hand if defending is difficult and if playing passive is actually going to hurt you in the long run because at some point you might miss an attack and take some damage it makes sense to invest into some aggression yourself so that you can start trading blows instead of just being on the receiving end. Terran doesn't really gain an advantage from this. The only time you can really afford to mass scan is when you have more than 5 orbitals and before that it's actually the other two races having more map vision through observers, pylons, creep, overlords. All the races can just adapt by sending scouting units around the map. Well I don't disagree with that it would be more advantageous to better players but what happens if terran makes one raven late-lategame. Observers are useless, overlords aren't used to spot movement at that stage, neither are pylons. Creep is cleaned up with raven support all the while terran can always scan to check without really losing anything. With the maps we currently have in Sc2 it's actually very hard to lose track of your opponents army. Even if you lose an observer it still gives you information and you can compensate by sending out some Zealots. Good Protoss players will constantly build Pylons around the map. if you lose an observer, it's gone and you won't be able to monitor their movements until you suicide something to find out. So in other words, terran gets free vision while the other races don't.
Not really, CREEP gives free vision. Terran PAYS 270 min per scan
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Ach guys, stop talking about such sad things as Mvp's injury. T_T I can't even watch this series for fear of him losing.
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That's a pretty quick third Soo's getting away with.
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On February 06 2013 20:10 ujonecro wrote:
Shut up Khaldor! Mvp has this.
Just being realistic i guess. Mvp has been having a terribly hard time vs zerg as of late, and SoO is an absolute monster vs terran. And i'm not saying that because of my bestkt fanboyism.
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On February 06 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:04 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:50 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:25 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:23 graNite wrote:
Eerrrrr, what? Why do the watchtowers disappear at 7 minutes? The reasoning was that they're too strong after that as you can see pretty much everything important by controlling them I wish this would be implemented for other maps too. I don't, honestly. That would give a big advantage to terran lategame as they would be the only race with constant knowledge of the opponent's army positioning through scans. No, it would give a big advantage to players who are actively scouting the whole game instead of just holding watchtowers to have vision of everything. I think the biggest contributing factor to why games tend to get stale is that it is just too easy to spot incoming attacks. If it is easier to stay defensive and defend against incoming aggression it is not really worth it to get aggressive. On the other hand if defending is difficult and if playing passive is actually going to hurt you in the long run because at some point you might miss an attack and take some damage it makes sense to invest into some aggression yourself so that you can start trading blows instead of just being on the receiving end. Terran doesn't really gain an advantage from this. The only time you can really afford to mass scan is when you have more than 5 orbitals and before that it's actually the other two races having more map vision through observers, pylons, creep, overlords. All the races can just adapt by sending scouting units around the map. Well I don't disagree with that it would be more advantageous to better players but what happens if terran makes one raven late-lategame. Observers are useless, overlords aren't used to spot movement at that stage, neither are pylons. Creep is cleaned up with raven support all the while terran can always scan to check without really losing anything. With the maps we currently have in Sc2 it's actually very hard to lose track of your opponents army. Even if you lose an observer it still gives you information and you can compensate by sending out some Zealots. Good Protoss players will constantly build Pylons around the map. if you lose an observer, it's gone and you won't be able to monitor their movements until you suicide something to find out. So in other words, terran gets free vision while the other races don't.
How stubborn can you be? Building more than 5 orbitals is not free and it gives you temporary vision only just like a dying observer. If you are really scanning constantly you will lose mineral mining. So it's just like a dying observer and sending out a single Zealot or Zergling can hardly be considered a big loss. Also it feels to me that you just don't know how to manage your observers correctly.
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lol Khaldor,Mvp losing to zerg known for their ZvT, is Gowser good at ZvT?
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EPT
