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On February 06 2013 20:10 yrt123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 20:04 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:50 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:25 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:23 graNite wrote:
Eerrrrr, what? Why do the watchtowers disappear at 7 minutes? The reasoning was that they're too strong after that as you can see pretty much everything important by controlling them I wish this would be implemented for other maps too. I don't, honestly. That would give a big advantage to terran lategame as they would be the only race with constant knowledge of the opponent's army positioning through scans. No, it would give a big advantage to players who are actively scouting the whole game instead of just holding watchtowers to have vision of everything. I think the biggest contributing factor to why games tend to get stale is that it is just too easy to spot incoming attacks. If it is easier to stay defensive and defend against incoming aggression it is not really worth it to get aggressive. On the other hand if defending is difficult and if playing passive is actually going to hurt you in the long run because at some point you might miss an attack and take some damage it makes sense to invest into some aggression yourself so that you can start trading blows instead of just being on the receiving end. Terran doesn't really gain an advantage from this. The only time you can really afford to mass scan is when you have more than 5 orbitals and before that it's actually the other two races having more map vision through observers, pylons, creep, overlords. All the races can just adapt by sending scouting units around the map. Well I don't disagree with that it would be more advantageous to better players but what happens if terran makes one raven late-lategame. Observers are useless, overlords aren't used to spot movement at that stage, neither are pylons. Creep is cleaned up with raven support all the while terran can always scan to check without really losing anything. With the maps we currently have in Sc2 it's actually very hard to lose track of your opponents army. Even if you lose an observer it still gives you information and you can compensate by sending out some Zealots. Good Protoss players will constantly build Pylons around the map. if you lose an observer, it's gone and you won't be able to monitor their movements until you suicide something to find out. So in other words, terran gets free vision while the other races don't. Not really, CREEP gives free vision. Terran PAYS 270 min per scan
They don't pay 270 minerals lol, they get those 270 minerals a bit slower.
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On February 06 2013 20:11 ffrozenfish wrote:
lol Khaldor,Mvp losing to zerg known for their ZvT, is Gowser good at ZvT?
Better than other matchups
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opterown
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...That was some sick queen micro, all things considered.
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Nevermind, 700 gas and still no Baneling Nest. He's just gonna make 15 Mutas and hope he kills Mvp, I guess.
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Such a neat and simple push. And behind it he almos caught up in workers and has tripple orbitals.
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opterown
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soo has a pretty solid defense so far
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Thors at home so he should be safe from the mutas..
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Wow Mvp looking great so far!!!
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On February 06 2013 20:14 opterown wrote:
soo has a pretty solid defense so far
opterown curse :p
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17 drones killed. Thors and still making marines 3 at a time so should be fine vs Mutas.
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mvp's build makes so much sense i actually feel dumb for not thinking about it
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On February 06 2013 20:11 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:10 yrt123 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 20:04 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:50 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:25 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:23 graNite wrote:
Eerrrrr, what? Why do the watchtowers disappear at 7 minutes? The reasoning was that they're too strong after that as you can see pretty much everything important by controlling them I wish this would be implemented for other maps too. I don't, honestly. That would give a big advantage to terran lategame as they would be the only race with constant knowledge of the opponent's army positioning through scans. No, it would give a big advantage to players who are actively scouting the whole game instead of just holding watchtowers to have vision of everything. I think the biggest contributing factor to why games tend to get stale is that it is just too easy to spot incoming attacks. If it is easier to stay defensive and defend against incoming aggression it is not really worth it to get aggressive. On the other hand if defending is difficult and if playing passive is actually going to hurt you in the long run because at some point you might miss an attack and take some damage it makes sense to invest into some aggression yourself so that you can start trading blows instead of just being on the receiving end. Terran doesn't really gain an advantage from this. The only time you can really afford to mass scan is when you have more than 5 orbitals and before that it's actually the other two races having more map vision through observers, pylons, creep, overlords. All the races can just adapt by sending scouting units around the map. Well I don't disagree with that it would be more advantageous to better players but what happens if terran makes one raven late-lategame. Observers are useless, overlords aren't used to spot movement at that stage, neither are pylons. Creep is cleaned up with raven support all the while terran can always scan to check without really losing anything. With the maps we currently have in Sc2 it's actually very hard to lose track of your opponents army. Even if you lose an observer it still gives you information and you can compensate by sending out some Zealots. Good Protoss players will constantly build Pylons around the map. if you lose an observer, it's gone and you won't be able to monitor their movements until you suicide something to find out. So in other words, terran gets free vision while the other races don't. Not really, CREEP gives free vision. Terran PAYS 270 min per scan They don't pay 270 minerals lol, they get those 270 minerals a bit slower.
Fine wrong terminology.. So.. just mine on one base every game? You only get the minerals a bit slower after all lol.
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On February 06 2013 20:16 yrt123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:11 Fragile51 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:10 yrt123 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 20:04 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:50 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:25 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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The reasoning was that they're too strong after that as you can see pretty much everything important by controlling them I wish this would be implemented for other maps too. I don't, honestly. That would give a big advantage to terran lategame as they would be the only race with constant knowledge of the opponent's army positioning through scans. No, it would give a big advantage to players who are actively scouting the whole game instead of just holding watchtowers to have vision of everything. I think the biggest contributing factor to why games tend to get stale is that it is just too easy to spot incoming attacks. If it is easier to stay defensive and defend against incoming aggression it is not really worth it to get aggressive. On the other hand if defending is difficult and if playing passive is actually going to hurt you in the long run because at some point you might miss an attack and take some damage it makes sense to invest into some aggression yourself so that you can start trading blows instead of just being on the receiving end. Terran doesn't really gain an advantage from this. The only time you can really afford to mass scan is when you have more than 5 orbitals and before that it's actually the other two races having more map vision through observers, pylons, creep, overlords. All the races can just adapt by sending scouting units around the map. Well I don't disagree with that it would be more advantageous to better players but what happens if terran makes one raven late-lategame. Observers are useless, overlords aren't used to spot movement at that stage, neither are pylons. Creep is cleaned up with raven support all the while terran can always scan to check without really losing anything. With the maps we currently have in Sc2 it's actually very hard to lose track of your opponents army. Even if you lose an observer it still gives you information and you can compensate by sending out some Zealots. Good Protoss players will constantly build Pylons around the map. if you lose an observer, it's gone and you won't be able to monitor their movements until you suicide something to find out. So in other words, terran gets free vision while the other races don't. Not really, CREEP gives free vision. Terran PAYS 270 min per scan They don't pay 270 minerals lol, they get those 270 minerals a bit slower. Fine wrong terminology.. So.. just mine on one base every game? You only get the minerals a bit slower after all lol.
What does that have to do with anything?
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Risky to not add more thors. If Soo would go up to 15+ mutas he could just magic box into winning the game.
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On February 06 2013 20:16 yrt123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:11 Fragile51 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:10 yrt123 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 20:04 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:50 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 06 2013 19:25 Baum wrote:On February 06 2013 19:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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The reasoning was that they're too strong after that as you can see pretty much everything important by controlling them I wish this would be implemented for other maps too. I don't, honestly. That would give a big advantage to terran lategame as they would be the only race with constant knowledge of the opponent's army positioning through scans. No, it would give a big advantage to players who are actively scouting the whole game instead of just holding watchtowers to have vision of everything. I think the biggest contributing factor to why games tend to get stale is that it is just too easy to spot incoming attacks. If it is easier to stay defensive and defend against incoming aggression it is not really worth it to get aggressive. On the other hand if defending is difficult and if playing passive is actually going to hurt you in the long run because at some point you might miss an attack and take some damage it makes sense to invest into some aggression yourself so that you can start trading blows instead of just being on the receiving end. Terran doesn't really gain an advantage from this. The only time you can really afford to mass scan is when you have more than 5 orbitals and before that it's actually the other two races having more map vision through observers, pylons, creep, overlords. All the races can just adapt by sending scouting units around the map. Well I don't disagree with that it would be more advantageous to better players but what happens if terran makes one raven late-lategame. Observers are useless, overlords aren't used to spot movement at that stage, neither are pylons. Creep is cleaned up with raven support all the while terran can always scan to check without really losing anything. With the maps we currently have in Sc2 it's actually very hard to lose track of your opponents army. Even if you lose an observer it still gives you information and you can compensate by sending out some Zealots. Good Protoss players will constantly build Pylons around the map. if you lose an observer, it's gone and you won't be able to monitor their movements until you suicide something to find out. So in other words, terran gets free vision while the other races don't. Not really, CREEP gives free vision. Terran PAYS 270 min per scan They don't pay 270 minerals lol, they get those 270 minerals a bit slower. Fine wrong terminology.. So.. just mine on one base every game? You only get the minerals a bit slower after all lol.
Because those are the exact same thing. Makes sense.
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