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WhX
Germany778 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:41 Shellshock1122 wrote: It's getting better, but I wasn't really impressed even in his wins against ByuL. ByuL just looked really bad True. It's nowhere near the top ZvZ from Life for instance, but there's some hope left. let's wait for the group nominations to see how the groups turn out | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:42 Berceno wrote: yea lets drone to 85 lose 50 drones , 1 base roach warren, some free infestors micro like crazy with blink and then I gonna fungal and a-move 8 minutes. yes it was intense but nothing more That was a-move? You have a very interesting definition of a-move... Keep whining though, don't let me stop you. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:42 sitromit wrote: I can't believe people are whining about this game. Creator all inned, Symbol defended well. Creator had an advantage, he did a lot of damage, he could have pulled back, expanded, and probably won the game. But he chose to push it, and his all-in ran out of steam as all-ins tend to when they don't get the quick kill. And to be honest, if he hadn't all his sentry stacked at the same place and at the front, he would keep them and win the game without any problem in less than one minute. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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GaliX
Germany380 Posts
couldn't creator just moved back after killed all the lings? I mean still making pressure but just build the 3rd behind and fall back when its done... he was 22 workers ahead. I would say it would have been a better decision | ||
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
I don't blame him for keeping in the fight though--that was right down to the wire, and he had a good shot of ending it outright. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:42 Berceno wrote: yea lets drone to 85 lose 50 drones , 1 base roach warren, some free infestors micro like crazy with blink and then I gonna fungal and a-move 8 minutes. yes it was intense but nothing more You know, it doesn't matter if Creator has 55 probes against 35 when he mine only from one base. More harvesters doesn't mean more economy if there is no more bases to match the number. | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
It feels like good 2012 again. | ||
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prophetGMS
France129 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:39 KadaverBB wrote: Weird, how did you come to that conclusion after this fucking nailbiter of a game?^^ same for me because the all in was the perfect counter of Symbol BO but WTF this result is just incredible thanks to free units. It's maybe just a sad and pissed off moment but after the GomTvT and the zerg "imbalance" last year I can't find this game anymore exciting. And HOTS (for me) is also a disaster. SC2 just need some time to find a good balance, we are close to it but no, blizzard arrives with a complete new game. I'm going to cry in front of the last BW OSLs thanks Jangbi and crown prince to offer me this possibility. EDIT: Nevertheless I still recognize the good game made by Symbol I really like this player, but it's not the matter of my cries | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:42 sitromit wrote: I can't believe people are whining about this game. Creator all inned, Symbol defended well. Creator had an advantage, he did a lot of damage, he could have pulled back, expanded, and probably won the game. But he chose to push it, and his all-in ran out of steam as all-ins tend to when they don't get the quick kill. I agree. And I think Symbol played really well to hold that all-in. However, the thing that bothers me is that zergs have the most room for error in terms of defending 'unscouted' all ins. Symbol was up to 85 drones. He shouldn't be able to be that greedy AND still be able to hold. When terrans/protoss complained that they are getting all-n by zerg, the response is always that the terran/protoss was too greedy or didn't scout. But in this game, Symbol was the definition of greed, yet, he still managed to hold. | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:50 prophetGMS wrote: same for me because the all in was the perfect counter of Symbol BO but WTF this result is just incredible thanks to free units. It's maybe just a sad and pissed off moment but after the GomTvT and the zerg "imbalance" last year I can't find this game anymore exciting. And HOTS (for me) is also a disaster. SC2 just need some time to find a good balance, we are close to it but no, blizzard arrives with a complete new game. I'm going to cry in front of the last BW OSLs thanks Jangbi and crown prince to offer me this possibility. you will never like sc2 regardless of how good it is because you are living in the past, this is the truth and you cant deny it | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:39 krutopatkin wrote: there wasnt a lot to mess up since he mined out his main. WAT?? He lost all his sentrys by one fungal, cause they all stacked the same place. He had won without that mistake. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:53 vthree wrote: I agree. And I think Symbol played really well to hold that all-in. However, the thing that bothers me is that zergs have the most room for error in terms of defending 'unscouted' all ins. Symbol was up to 85 drones. He shouldn't be able to be that greedy AND still be able to hold. When terrans/protoss complained that they are getting all-n by zerg, the response is always that the terran/protoss was too greedy or didn't scout. But in this game, Symbol was the definition of greed, yet, he still managed to hold. The problem is that it really should have been an all-in in the first place. Creator attack arrived at a time when Symbol had already done the energy upgrade for infestors. So it is gonna be not that difficult to hold the attack for quite some awhile until Creator ran out of steam. He did kill a lot of worker and gain an economic lead, he could even pressure and expand behind his attack so it would not become an all-in too. | ||
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prophetGMS
France129 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote: you will never like sc2 regardless of how good it is because you are living in the past, this is the truth and you cant deny it Maybe but I still enjoy sometimes SC2 but I had so high expectations on it, I'm just now a little bit sad. And as I said WoL started to find a balance with few problems mainly due to map but then HOTS is coming... I prefer a long wait to reach the perfection than just new stuffs to have a quick pleasure :-) | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
If a Zerg 2 base all-ins a Protoss who has Sentries and High Templars with storm, and gets force-fielded and stormed to death, should we all complain that he died to free energy units? | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:49 GaliX wrote: Just a question: couldn't creator just moved back after killed all the lings? I mean still making pressure but just build the 3rd behind and fall back when its done... he was 22 workers ahead. I would say it would have been a better decision Well zerg can catch up in workers extremely quickly and symbol had better tech out. So if Creator expands and goes home, he kind of has to keep producing units instead of tech in case Symbol attacks him with that better tech. If Symbol is left alone he gathers energy on his infestors and can produce a big army to support them quite fast and then most likely kill Creator's third. Remember, Symbol still had a 2 base economy up and running with the larva capability of 3 bases. That's enough to produce a TON of lair units which would be enough to kill creator's third and likely even his army. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:58 prophetGMS wrote: Maybe but I still enjoy sometimes SC2 but I had so high expectations on it, I'm just now a little bit sad. And as I said WoL started to find a balance with few problems mainly due to map but then HOTS is coming... I prefer a long wait to reach the perfection than just new stuffs to have a quick pleasure :-) Well, to be fair, the game you enjoyed, BW, took quite a long time to refine as well. | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On January 22 2013 21:49 ineversmile wrote: I really wish Creator had gone home when he killed all of the drones from Symbol's main and natural, and was up ~50 to ~30 workers. Go home, sac the pylon, build a Nexus. Maybe he didn't know the drone count, but he could have figured out that he killed 2 full drone pulls in that elongated fight. I don't blame him for keeping in the fight though--that was right down to the wire, and he had a good shot of ending it outright. 100% right. This game was not about imbalance, it was about all sentrys dieing to one fungal and Creator not using his lead to transition into makro. | ||
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