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I was expecting Stars to win the two first games, but I believe EGTL will win at least three of the next maps so it should go to the ace match.
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On December 23 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:13 Waxangel wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 PhoenixVoid wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 HolyArrow wrote:On December 23 2012 13:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Maybe SoulKey deliberately forgot PG? A pro at that level with a ProLeague game on the line wouldn't make such a simple error. I think he realized he just needed ITs and the occasional Fungal, but never really needed to invest 150/150, though it would have helped a great deal. Pros can make mistakes. Most recently I recall Violet forgetting PG in his 5th game against Parting at the Blizzard Cup. We also see players forget crucial tech like Thermal Lance sometimes. I was thinking about that viOLet game when I posted, but the pressure of PL might force players to focus a lot more on the small details. Plus, a pro would know that their Infestors are a bit low on energy at least. iono man, stork went an entire game without realizing his draogons didn't ahve range  Those were fun times watching stork do that against Bisu lol. "F u. I don't need range. Okay, maybe I did." How about JD forgetting glands. I wonder if I still have that gif of his face.
How about Jaedong not realizing his units were trapped in his main n_n
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On December 23 2012 13:12 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:11 lbmaian wrote:
Can someone explain to me how the hell JYP lost this game? He was on 4 bases and more probes, and his income still looked lower than Soulkeys? Was just outplayed by a far superior player. Very well played by Soulkey.
This. War of attrition and positioning are Brood War player's forte. He won by engaging intelligently and choosing his battles wisely. It just shows the difference between the Kespa players and the SC2 players
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On December 23 2012 13:14 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:14 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 23 2012 13:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
ZerO vs Jaedong, the 2 best zvz players in broodwar next loool, man the day someone said ZerO was good in ZvZ. Not in the beginning but towards the end it was him and jaedong... look at his zvz record for the last 30 or so zvz he played There were probably like 10 zerg players better than him at ZvZ even towards the end of BW era. ok name them that have better records them him towards the end
Now you guys have me interested. Time to TLPD because I really didn't watch much of hybrid league after the first couple of months.
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On December 23 2012 13:15 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:14 Facultyadjutant wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 Plexa wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 trGKakarot wrote:
JYP needed less Stalkers and more Sentires for his composition; he seemed too gas starved to get the death ball he really needed, then lost too many critical units in silly pick-offs. Yup. Every exchange was good for Soukey. Trading Roach/ling for Colossus (and retaining corruptors) is exactly what he needed to do. Corruptor vs colussus feels so underwhelming as a spectator An epic duel between two of the most boring units in the game.
and dumbest, stupidest as well
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On December 23 2012 13:16 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:16 xi Tempest x wrote:
I think JYP not having enough gates was the biggest mistake, it seemed he only had enough to harass or build an army, not both. he wasn't floating money though, was he?
not a crazy amount but he had like 800/400 when soulkey got his 4th mining. 2/3 more gates to add stalkers to main army every warp in cycle would probably of won him the final big engagement
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On December 23 2012 13:16 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:16 xi Tempest x wrote:
I think JYP not having enough gates was the biggest mistake, it seemed he only had enough to harass or build an army, not both. he wasn't floating money though, was he?
That's the weird part, I only saw his minerals go above 500 a couple times. I'm still confused about that game.
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On December 23 2012 13:14 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:14 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 23 2012 13:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
ZerO vs Jaedong, the 2 best zvz players in broodwar next loool, man the day someone said ZerO was good in ZvZ. Not in the beginning but towards the end it was him and jaedong... look at his zvz record for the last 30 or so zvz he played There were probably like 10 zerg players better than him at ZvZ even towards the end of BW era. ok name them that have better records them him towards the end
records records, You are praising zero who is a well known choker in ZvZ because he has good stats in which he got most of his wins off of poor ZvZers like hyvaa?
Off the top of my head, Great, JD, Calm, Effort, Hydra, Soulkey they were all better ZvZers. Historically speaking, there would be a lot more. Stats don't say everything. I would never have confidence if Zero was sent out for a ZvZ ace match.
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On December 23 2012 13:17 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:14 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 23 2012 13:14 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 23 2012 13:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
ZerO vs Jaedong, the 2 best zvz players in broodwar next loool, man the day someone said ZerO was good in ZvZ. Not in the beginning but towards the end it was him and jaedong... look at his zvz record for the last 30 or so zvz he played There were probably like 10 zerg players better than him at ZvZ even towards the end of BW era. ok name them that have better records them him towards the end Now you guys have me interested. Time to TLPD because I really didn't watch much of hybrid league after the first couple of months.
he went 9-2 in zvz in 2012
in 2010/2011 he sometimes chokes when it was zvz in the ace match and that always stuck with him even when he was beating everyone late 2011 and 2012
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On December 23 2012 13:12 nmetasch wrote:Soulkey never ceases to slaughter me on my anti team 
Why in the everliving jesus would you put soulkey on your anti-team
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On December 23 2012 13:17 renezerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 Waxangel wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 PhoenixVoid wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 HolyArrow wrote:On December 23 2012 13:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Maybe SoulKey deliberately forgot PG? A pro at that level with a ProLeague game on the line wouldn't make such a simple error. I think he realized he just needed ITs and the occasional Fungal, but never really needed to invest 150/150, though it would have helped a great deal. Pros can make mistakes. Most recently I recall Violet forgetting PG in his 5th game against Parting at the Blizzard Cup. We also see players forget crucial tech like Thermal Lance sometimes. I was thinking about that viOLet game when I posted, but the pressure of PL might force players to focus a lot more on the small details. Plus, a pro would know that their Infestors are a bit low on energy at least. iono man, stork went an entire game without realizing his draogons didn't ahve range Those were fun times watching stork do that against Bisu lol. "F u. I don't need range. Okay, maybe I did." How about JD forgetting glands. I wonder if I still have that gif of his face. How about Jaedong not realizing his units were trapped in his main n_n Anybody have a link for that? Would be fun to rewatch before the next game...
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On December 23 2012 13:16 nmetasch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:13 andaylin wrote:On December 23 2012 13:12 nmetasch wrote:Soulkey never ceases to slaughter me on my anti team Soulkey on antiteam? GG, almost as bad as having herO on there. Ya i messed up, he was just such a huge choker during the hybrid league , 15% ace win rate, and under 50% overall win rate.. lol
He went 41-7 in the MVP invitational and made it pretty far into GSL last season. Both more recent and more indicative of his current skill level.
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Great has funky ZvZ. Modesty has surprisingly good ZvZ
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On December 23 2012 13:17 SkimGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:12 decado90 wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 lbmaian wrote:
Can someone explain to me how the hell JYP lost this game? He was on 4 bases and more probes, and his income still looked lower than Soulkeys? Was just outplayed by a far superior player. Very well played by Soulkey. This. War of attrition and positioning are Brood War player's forte. He won by engaging intelligently and choosing his battles wisely. It just shows the difference between the Kespa players and the SC2 players
You know, Hero used to be a BW b-teamer.
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Wasn't Hydra doing well after jaedong started to lose his magic in ZvZ
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I think JYP just spent too much on harrasment. It looks nice and pretty to have units in your opponents mineral line and good drone kills... Doesn't really help you though when his army just comes and fucking kills you 
Also I've been thinking for a while now that 80+ drones is kind of over rated. I could be horribly wrong, but I don't think it's that great to have that many drones. You can mine pretty damn efficiently with like 60-70 drones and have a much bigger standing army? Again this is just theorycrafting in my head I don't know the actual numbers etc. So my main question to some higher level players. Is the income from those 15-20 drones worth the hit in your army when you're on 3-4 bases?
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On December 23 2012 13:17 renezerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 Waxangel wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 PhoenixVoid wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 HolyArrow wrote:On December 23 2012 13:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Maybe SoulKey deliberately forgot PG? A pro at that level with a ProLeague game on the line wouldn't make such a simple error. I think he realized he just needed ITs and the occasional Fungal, but never really needed to invest 150/150, though it would have helped a great deal. Pros can make mistakes. Most recently I recall Violet forgetting PG in his 5th game against Parting at the Blizzard Cup. We also see players forget crucial tech like Thermal Lance sometimes. I was thinking about that viOLet game when I posted, but the pressure of PL might force players to focus a lot more on the small details. Plus, a pro would know that their Infestors are a bit low on energy at least. iono man, stork went an entire game without realizing his draogons didn't ahve range Those were fun times watching stork do that against Bisu lol. "F u. I don't need range. Okay, maybe I did." How about JD forgetting glands. I wonder if I still have that gif of his face. How about Jaedong not realizing his units were trapped in his main n_n
That one was more funny because he won anyways. The times when he would forget adrenal (much like Savior often seemed to do before him) were always so much more painful. Maybe not quite as losing in game 5 of the MSL finals because of no dragoon range, but still pretty damn painful.
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On December 23 2012 13:20 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:17 SkimGuy wrote:On December 23 2012 13:12 decado90 wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 lbmaian wrote:
Can someone explain to me how the hell JYP lost this game? He was on 4 bases and more probes, and his income still looked lower than Soulkeys? Was just outplayed by a far superior player. Very well played by Soulkey. This. War of attrition and positioning are Brood War player's forte. He won by engaging intelligently and choosing his battles wisely. It just shows the difference between the Kespa players and the SC2 players You know, Hero used to be a BW b-teamer.
a lot of the sc2 players atm were haha
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On December 23 2012 13:19 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:16 nmetasch wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 andaylin wrote:On December 23 2012 13:12 nmetasch wrote:Soulkey never ceases to slaughter me on my anti team Soulkey on antiteam? GG, almost as bad as having herO on there. Ya i messed up, he was just such a huge choker during the hybrid league , 15% ace win rate, and under 50% overall win rate.. lol He went 41-7 in the MVP invitational and made it pretty far into GSL last season. Both more recent and more indicative of his current skill level.
Nothing on the Koreans side of MVP invitational impressed me.. As far as the GSL thing, I don't follow GSL, so i didn't know that :D. I just don't like Soulkey, but yes, i've learned from my mistake.
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On December 23 2012 13:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:15 StarStruck wrote:On December 23 2012 13:13 Waxangel wrote:On December 23 2012 13:11 PhoenixVoid wrote:On December 23 2012 13:10 HolyArrow wrote:On December 23 2012 13:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Maybe SoulKey deliberately forgot PG? A pro at that level with a ProLeague game on the line wouldn't make such a simple error. I think he realized he just needed ITs and the occasional Fungal, but never really needed to invest 150/150, though it would have helped a great deal. Pros can make mistakes. Most recently I recall Violet forgetting PG in his 5th game against Parting at the Blizzard Cup. We also see players forget crucial tech like Thermal Lance sometimes. I was thinking about that viOLet game when I posted, but the pressure of PL might force players to focus a lot more on the small details. Plus, a pro would know that their Infestors are a bit low on energy at least. iono man, stork went an entire game without realizing his draogons didn't ahve range Those were fun times watching stork do that against Bisu lol. "F u. I don't need range. Okay, maybe I did." How about JD forgetting glands. I wonder if I still have that gif of his face. how about, JD forgetting more than half his army?
Or the time JD forgot to research consume the very next game against Flash in Proleague after the MLG finals. =\
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