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On December 22 2012 06:25 Destructicon wrote:
I don't hate on Xlord, he had every right to defend the advantage he worked for, but the way he conducted himself was very poor and gained 0 respect from me.
I'm far, far more disappointed from Stephano though he threw a game that was not 100% over.
Consider his position, he had 2/2, was on his side of his map for defender's, had a superior concave, against Xlord's clumped army with few infestors and less energy on them then the previous engagement. Xlord had a bank, but frankly it wasn't that big, and he also didn't have many larva left.
Yes Stephano was behind, his infestor tech was super late, and his 4th was about to be sniped, the only thing we can conclude from that is Xlord had an advantage, but I don't agree that the advantage was so insurmountable that he could get a clear win.
If, say Xlord loses his entire army to a poor engagement in the choke and loses his Infestors, suddenly Stephano has a chance to get his 4th, infestors and stabilize.
If say, Xlord retreats and regroups, waits for Infestors and energy etc, he is still ahead, but Stephano has time to also regroup, set up defenses etc.
Conclusion, Xlord was ahead, but he hadn't killed the army of Stephano and, he hadn't entered the production line of Stephano. The magnitude of the advantage Xlord had wasn't big enough to justify a win for Xlord.
And because of this Stephano's decision is ridiculously stupid, he wasn't even going to fight for his own right to play. If a regame was settled in PartinG vs MKP, Stephano had every right to call for a regame, but he didn't.
I never really liked him as a person, but I could respect him as a player, now I actively dislike him. And I can't believe how many people are actually arguing this was a good decision, and not even bringing out solid facts to back up their opinions. This was, in my opinion the worst decision that could have occurred ever since the GSTL incident.
Relax... man
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On December 22 2012 06:24 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:23 Prog455 wrote:On December 22 2012 06:10 AgentW wrote:On December 22 2012 06:08 Eurekastreet wrote:On December 22 2012 06:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:On December 22 2012 06:04 Eurekastreet wrote:
I'm not following what's happening overseas right now but - except for a wedding - what has EG achieved lately (past 2-3 months) except for the Stephano victories ? EG-TL is tied for 5th in the proleague, which is pretty good all things considered Ok. Do you know what's happening with Idra ? Haven't heard anyting about him in the past few weeks...? I guess the other players are doing local tourneys (?) but with all of their potential lineup, I haven't heard much about them lately ? IdrA finished top 16 at BWC. Suppy finished top 8. DeMuslim lost 3-2 to viOLet in ro8 at NASL. But if you consider their reputation as being arguably the best foreign team, they are actually doing pretty poorly. Team Acer - Nerchio won HSC 5 and Dreamhack Open: Bucharest - Scarlett won WCS North America Team Liquid - Taeja won MLG Summer Arena, ASUS ROG 2012, Dreamhack Valencia and finished 2nd in Dreamhack Winter 2012. He also All-killed Prime and IM in IPTL - Hero won Dreamhack Winter 2012 and NASL Season 4 No doubt EG has some great players, but they are more known for their community participation (InControL and IdrA) and their history as a great E-sport team, than for their actual accomplishments. When you try to justify which is the best foreign team, isn't it cheating to list the accomplishment of the team's Koreans?
The only reason i am mentioning Taeja and Hero is because EG bought plenty of Koreans themselves. And by plenty i mean JYP and Puma since Jaedong and Revival only recently joined.
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The koreans eating mcdonalds lol
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Hahaha mc and mkp eating mcdonald
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Go on MC, DESTROY that burger!
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My god.. MC doesn't stop eating! -.-
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On December 22 2012 06:26 massivez wrote:MMA did fell down hard in 1 year, no shame in losing to Stephano. But he was so perfect in his ZvT, at his prime i always felt no zerg could touch him. Guess people just learned to defend his drops 
yes that's what happened : )
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On December 22 2012 06:25 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:24 Fionn wrote:
I like to think that Ryu Won was the real genius and MMA was more of his android that he programed to be amazing at SC2. You wonder why there's no woongjin terran that hasn't ended up like that, you'd think light would go full beast mode with ryu won.
Light was amazingly good at SC2, but he has vanished. hon_sin (Bravo) is also doing very well currently in Proleague after being a non factor in BW.
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On December 22 2012 06:26 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
OMG! Happy is casting Kas on stream 2, if you guys didn't catch HSCV the Happy DIMAGA cast was one of the highlights of the whole event. What? Happy isn't even there, is he?
Really? from the webcam angle it looks so much like him o.o
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wow mc really got a belly right there.. he gotta work out more!
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On another note, that was the single greatest "downtime" commercial in Starcraft history
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heromarine crushing everyone @LL
wheres the prob`?
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Kas 1 vs 0 TLO on stream B.
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On December 22 2012 06:23 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:21 Sated wrote:
MMA got 2-0'd by both Stephano and Xlord. Stephano has gone through despite the whole Xlord thing. Now people can shut the fuck up about it? No, why should we? HSC messed up, Stephano stepped up. The issue remains however. In the case of a DC they should re-game, unless one party was on the verge of winning.
The problem is defining the verge of winning, dimaga and snute thought Xlord was on a verge of winning, unless serious fuck up.
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On December 22 2012 06:23 Lasbike wrote:Stephano beat MMA WITHOUT infestors and BL (at least, in the first decisives fights, the infestors at the end were the cherry on the cake). That way, no balance bullshit 
Yep, this is correct.
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On December 22 2012 06:27 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:25 TigerKarl wrote:
glad that the shameful ending to the xlord:stephano series didn't matter in the end. Such dickish and stubborn behaviour doesn't fit to a tournament that's thriving from it's special and friendly atmosphere. What happened? :p
Xlord was ahead. game dcs. admins handle the situation poorly having players debate it on stream. xlord defends his case. Stephano says take the win
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On December 22 2012 06:25 Destructicon wrote:
I don't hate on Xlord, he had every right to defend the advantage he worked for, but the way he conducted himself was very poor and gained 0 respect from me.
I'm far, far more disappointed from Stephano though he threw a game that was not 100% over.
Consider his position, he had 2/2, was on his side of his map for defender's, had a superior concave, against Xlord's clumped army with few infestors and less energy on them then the previous engagement. Xlord had a bank, but frankly it wasn't that big, and he also didn't have many larva left.
Yes Stephano was behind, his infestor tech was super late, and his 4th was about to be sniped, the only thing we can conclude from that is Xlord had an advantage, but I don't agree that the advantage was so insurmountable that he could get a clear win.
If, say Xlord loses his entire army to a poor engagement in the choke and loses his Infestors, suddenly Stephano has a chance to get his 4th, infestors and stabilize.
If say, Xlord retreats and regroups, waits for Infestors and energy etc, he is still ahead, but Stephano has time to also regroup, set up defenses etc.
Conclusion, Xlord was ahead, but he hadn't killed the army of Stephano and, he hadn't entered the production line of Stephano. The magnitude of the advantage Xlord had wasn't big enough to justify a win for Xlord.
And because of this Stephano's decision is ridiculously stupid, he wasn't even going to fight for his own right to play. If a regame was settled in PartinG vs MKP, Stephano had every right to call for a regame, but he didn't.
I never really liked him as a person, but I could respect him as a player, now I actively dislike him. And I can't believe how many people are actually arguing this was a good decision, and not even bringing out solid facts to back up their opinions. This was, in my opinion the worst decision that could have occurred ever since the GSTL incident.
You are too rational imo ... Try to be in the place of the players and not to think too much.
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On December 22 2012 06:27 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:25 Fusilero wrote:On December 22 2012 06:24 Fionn wrote:
I like to think that Ryu Won was the real genius and MMA was more of his android that he programed to be amazing at SC2. You wonder why there's no woongjin terran that hasn't ended up like that, you'd think light would go full beast mode with ryu won. Light was amazingly good at SC2, but he has vanished. hon_sin (Bravo) is also doing very well currently in Proleague after being a non factor in BW.
Hon_sin made bisu cry, he will always be a factor in BW.
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On December 22 2012 06:27 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:26 StarVe wrote:On December 22 2012 06:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
OMG! Happy is casting Kas on stream 2, if you guys didn't catch HSCV the Happy DIMAGA cast was one of the highlights of the whole event. What? Happy isn't even there, is he? Really? from the webcam angle it looks so much like him o.o
They both sound like Germans, too. Maybe one of them is Tarrantius, Idk. No Happy though, that's for sure,
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On December 22 2012 06:26 massivez wrote:MMA did fell down hard in 1 year, no shame in losing to Stephano. But he was so perfect in his ZvT, at his prime i always felt no zerg could touch him. Guess people just learned to defend his drops
well, the general tvz balance shifted massively into zergs favor during the last year. i dont wanna start a round of balance whine, just sayin this might factor into mma's tvz demise.
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