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bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
December 18 2012 06:42 GMT
#401
On December 18 2012 15:40 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:37 vthree wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:36 ppgButtercup wrote:
Don't worry, Protoss players will figure out that if they want to pressure with the zealot and stalker they just need to leave a probe at the wall while they're doing it until the Zealot confirms no all-in. Some day they'll figure it out.


I don't think a probe stops that all-in. You need at least a zealot (sentry even better).

Build a pylon or a gate

nope.....why would anyone make 30 lings and not just 15 then.


You realise that you make the pylon/gateway upon the first ling touching your probe (which can only be hit by one or two lings at a time, because it is on hold position in the gap). The 30 lings are already made at this point.

Still a tough hold after that because they might break your wall even if they didn't go roaches or banes. Need to make a sentry and drop another cannon or two, and make a secondary wall...
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 06:43:30
December 18 2012 06:42 GMT
#402
well anyway that game was hilarious, and good demo of how scouting the presence of a 3rd doesn't actually tell you anything about what zerg is doing.

no gas this game. awww. i wanted to see it work twice in a row.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
December 18 2012 06:42 GMT
#403
Macau!! yeah
jjakji fan
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
December 18 2012 06:43 GMT
#404
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 06:46:47
December 18 2012 06:43 GMT
#405
On December 18 2012 15:40 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:37 vthree wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:36 ppgButtercup wrote:
Don't worry, Protoss players will figure out that if they want to pressure with the zealot and stalker they just need to leave a probe at the wall while they're doing it until the Zealot confirms no all-in. Some day they'll figure it out.


I don't think a probe stops that all-in. You need at least a zealot (sentry even better).

Build a pylon or a gate

nope.....why would anyone make 30 lings and not just 15 then.

Umm.. because it's an all-in? Might as well go all the way.

Can't believe people are arguing against the effectiveness of probes walls against lings. I thought Hongun showcased it against Fruitdealer in the open season.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 18 2012 06:43 GMT
#406
On December 18 2012 15:43 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?


"Slightly better news"?
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
December 18 2012 06:44 GMT
#407
On December 18 2012 15:43 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:43 Havik_ wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?


"Slightly better news"?

"Marginally non-worse news"?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 18 2012 06:45 GMT
#408
On December 18 2012 15:42 Oboeman wrote:
well anyway that game was hilarious, and good demo of how scouting the presence of a 3rd doesn't actually tell you anything about what zerg is doing.


Did you see my post?
....................................

I also get the feeling that you had a pre-formed hatred of these kinds of allins and you feel justified by this lol
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 18 2012 06:45 GMT
#409
On December 18 2012 15:44 WigglingSquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:43 lichter wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:43 Havik_ wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?


"Slightly better news"?

"Marginally non-worse news"?


"Not exactly what we want but at least it's better than cancer news"?
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
December 18 2012 06:46 GMT
#410
On December 18 2012 15:43 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?


Do you want more PvZs?

+ Show Spoiler +
because you're going to get them
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 18 2012 06:47 GMT
#411
blizzard should introduce a 3rd race. it'd be a real innovation.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 06:48:43
December 18 2012 06:48 GMT
#412
On December 18 2012 15:45 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:42 Oboeman wrote:
well anyway that game was hilarious, and good demo of how scouting the presence of a 3rd doesn't actually tell you anything about what zerg is doing.


Did you see my post?
....................................

I also get the feeling that you had a pre-formed hatred of these kinds of allins and you feel justified by this lol


I saw it.
I don't hate these all-ins, I love them. 3 base fake into cheese is basically the only thing I ever do in ZvP on ladder and it is hilariously effective. At one point, I was winning all my zvps and shot up the ladder so that I couldn't win a single zvt or zvz because the players completely outclassed me (but I was still beating protoss with the all-in).

So I've been wondering why we see it so rarely in the pro scene. I get excited whenever it happens.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 18 2012 06:48 GMT
#413
surprisingly seed and rain are playing kind of worse than MVP yesterday ;_;
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 18 2012 06:48 GMT
#414
On December 18 2012 15:45 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:44 WigglingSquid wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:43 lichter wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:43 Havik_ wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?


"Slightly better news"?

"Marginally non-worse news"?


"Not exactly what we want but at least it's better than cancer news"?


Also ZvZ hasn't been bad for the past 6 months, and it has gotten incredible in the last two months.

Huge emphasis on micro early game, huge focus on engagements/positioning late game with actual spell-changers but not being imbalanced(infestors), eventual crazy late game, focus on harassment, .................
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
December 18 2012 06:48 GMT
#415
On December 18 2012 15:47 oneofthem wrote:
blizzard should introduce a 3rd race. it'd be a real innovation.


Wings of liberty was part 1 of the trilogy, it's almost over so it makes sense for less terrans. Maybe when Legacy of the Void comes out all the zergs will be gone and we can have 24/7 PvP :D
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 18 2012 06:49 GMT
#416
Life really delayed his Spire, he could be in trouble.
minhblizzard
Profile Joined May 2012
Singapore425 Posts
December 18 2012 06:49 GMT
#417
3 evolution chambers?
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
December 18 2012 06:49 GMT
#418
Rain is playing like Huk.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 18 2012 06:50 GMT
#419
Wow this is innovative, I love it!
Reminds me of the first time I saw Leenock go double spire for muta upgrades.
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
December 18 2012 06:50 GMT
#420
On December 18 2012 15:48 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 15:45 lichter wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:44 WigglingSquid wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:43 lichter wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:43 Havik_ wrote:
On December 18 2012 15:34 nomyx wrote:
bad news:

still 2 more PvZs for this first half

Good news:

2 ZvZs and 1 PvP in second half


In what parallel universe is this good news?


"Slightly better news"?

"Marginally non-worse news"?


"Not exactly what we want but at least it's better than cancer news"?


Also ZvZ hasn't been bad for the past 6 months, and it has gotten incredible in the last two months.

Huge emphasis on micro early game, huge focus on engagements/positioning late game with actual spell-changers but not being imbalanced(infestors), eventual crazy late game, focus on harassment, .................


I enjoy ZvZ a lot, as long as it doesn't get to infestor roach vs infestor roach. HOTS is looking very good for ZvZ too!

PvP is also fun to watch sometimes, much better than before. As long as it doesn't devolve into colossus vs colossus
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