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Jmanthedragonguy
Canada1202 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:31 Havik_ wrote: What's up with these top Protoss players losing games to Zergling runbys? Hero in Proleague and now this. :p Its usually the top Protosses that try to go out early and try to put on atleast a bit of pressure to the Zerg to delay power droning. Toss is very fragile if they don't turtle P: | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:34 vthree wrote: Not sure why protoss players are moving out at all with their units. What can they accomplish? they want the zerg to make a few lings. but they are hoping it is less than 30. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:32 Oboeman wrote: gas at 20 supply, but only made 1 queen, so he could still afford the 3rd hatch. then cut drones at 20-22 or something, and mass lings non stop. normally i'd expect a baneling bust, but he pulled out after 100 gas. I guess that's a mindgame decision based on the fact that P always has holes in their wall. Thanks, I'll be doing this build until HOTS comes out  | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:31 Havik_ wrote: What's up with these top Protoss players losing games to Zergling runbys? Hero in Proleague and now this. :p They cut corners, figure Zerg won't take the risk of making that many units that can be useless with one Zealot blocking that choke, and move out to do pressure or scout. Zergs noticed a pattern, are abusing it. Protoss players will have to learn to play safer for a while, then when everybody stops doing it, they'll start cutting corners again probably. | ||
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ppgButtercup
United States159 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
we all know pvz is a joke in a macro game so it's about timings and setting them up | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:35 nomyx wrote: Thanks, I'll be doing this build until HOTS comes out It's only going to work against an FFE protoss who is aggressive with his first few units... Not really a good build to play with. More of a metagame thing at the top level. Most other P will leave a zealot there... | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:33 Oboeman wrote: I know. how do you think he should have scouted it? (besides seeing it on the minimap just outside his base, even if he had the stalker on hold position he had no sentry and no warpgate) Send out probe to check Third again like Rain does, a Queen should be heading towards there and if not something's up and go into the natural. [or] Be better with map awareness, send zealot earlier where he has to see lings come out of natural, or build pylon at ramp faster so he knows(since Sniper has to sneak around/be sudden with that build) that the allin is coming. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:36 ppgButtercup wrote: Don't worry, Protoss players will figure out that if they want to pressure with the zealot and stalker they just need to leave a probe at the wall while they're doing it until the Zealot confirms no all-in. Some day they'll figure it out. Do you think a probe is going to stop that? even if he had a sentry at home, you can kill the wall with zerglings, I've seen zenio go for his baneling bust and then win the game without making any banelings, just by taking the whole wall down while being tickled by 1 sentry and 1 cannon. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:36 ppgButtercup wrote: Don't worry, Protoss players will figure out that if they want to pressure with the zealot and stalker they just need to leave a probe at the wall while they're doing it until the Zealot confirms no all-in. Some day they'll figure it out. I don't think a probe stops that all-in. You need at least a zealot (sentry even better). | ||
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valium
United States251 Posts
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:36 ppgButtercup wrote: Don't worry, Protoss players will figure out that if they want to pressure with the zealot and stalker they just need to leave a probe at the wall while they're doing it until the Zealot confirms no all-in. Some day they'll figure it out. Exactly that's all it takes. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:37 vthree wrote: I don't think a probe stops that all-in. You need at least a zealot (sentry even better). Build a pylon or a gate | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:37 bennyaus wrote: It's only going to work against an FFE protoss who is aggressive with his first few units... Not really a good build to play with. More of a metagame thing at the top level. Most other P will leave a zealot there... That's why I'm going to baneling nest, sniper pulled out after 100 gas | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:38 nomyx wrote: That's why I'm going to baneling nest, sniper pulled out after 100 gas yeah the zenio baneling bust (or equivalent roach/speedling bust) with 3 hatch and 1 queen will give you much more consistent results than the pure speedling runby. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
nope.....why would anyone make 30 lings and not just 15 then. | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
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