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AverageAsianDude
Profile Joined December 2012
England91 Posts
December 16 2012 08:26 GMT
#1681
when will revival be able to play in pl?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27206 Posts
December 16 2012 08:26 GMT
#1682
These maps are pretty interesting, regardless of some of their flaws I love the map-specific plays. The BW veterans told us SC2 younglings to watch out for such subtelties, and we're starting to see it. I for one am loving Proleague so much.

Also, although EGTL may still lose this, it's nice to see them competing well this time. You can tell Jaedong isn't just along for the ride, he's got the intense gaze of a killer. For all you tools who tore into them after their opening match, shame on you guys.

The only way I can ever see a foreign team maintain competitive relevance long-term is to set up proper infrastructure in Korea, with coaches in place and have their foreign contingent actually stay there. EGTL are blazing a trail in that respect.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1683
On December 16 2012 17:25 Dubzex wrote:
I'd post the Koreans Own White Dudes video but it seems IEM has made it private...?


Damn, that's a shame.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1684
On December 16 2012 17:22 TheSwamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD

60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base.
I don't see your point?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything?


It's relevant to what everyone in this thread is watching.


Indeed, only that pertains to BW though. I really don't like the idea of mixing stats from two very different games. Yet we get hybrid league and bw maps converted to sc2 because it takes less effort to go off the old designs then come up with something new that's balanced. They're just going out on a limb but I digress. 7 years and 6 months corresponds more to this thread than SK housing the U.S. Army lol.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1685
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps
can i get my estro logo back pls
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6304 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1686
On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD

60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base.
I don't see your point?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything?

a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me

Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time

oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now


Not in proleague

Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game

This is not realistic, you don't seem to know what the Proleague is.

It's not a BW statistic, it's a league statistic. Foreigners haven't played or won in Proleague for a very long time. That's going to change very soon This is a very exciting time to be in. You should be excited and watching the games.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1687
On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD

60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base.
I don't see your point?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything?

a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me

Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time

oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now


Not in proleague

Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game

he's saying it because it's a proleague LR and we are talking about proleague @_@

Well, foreigners are 0 for 3 right now. Let's see if they can win once before the end rofl.
GuMiho <3
booksmartguy
Profile Joined December 2012
United States45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:28:24
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1688
Map awareness is much better for songduri. Even if he didn't counter, he can just flank the middle from all angle, and it will be too hard for terran to hold.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1689
On December 16 2012 17:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I'm quickly remembering why I haven't read live report threads in months. Good lord.


To be fair, it only derailes this way when there is an EG or TL player playing
Jaedong & Faker
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1690
On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad.

JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match.

yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz

Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets.

He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months

Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now.


How is he bad? He made it into the ro16 in the previous GSL and was a pretty significant factor to SlayerS making it to the finals of GSTL.
Evil Geniuses<3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51101 Posts
December 16 2012 08:27 GMT
#1691
On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:
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On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements.


Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say

This.

But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance.


not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map.
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1692
On December 16 2012 17:27 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD

60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base.
I don't see your point?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything?

a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me

Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time

oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now


Not in proleague

Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game

he's saying it because it's a proleague LR and we are talking about proleague @_@

Well, foreigners are 0 for 3 right now. Let's see if they can win once before the end rofl.


I have a feeling Stephano can help us out
can i get my estro logo back pls
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1693
On December 16 2012 17:27 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD

60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base.
I don't see your point?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything?

a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me

Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time

oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now


Not in proleague

Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game

he's saying it because it's a proleague LR and we are talking about proleague @_@

Well, foreigners are 0 for 3 right now. Let's see if they can win once before the end rofl.

Stop being all crazy over nothing!
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
oGsTrueSmug
Profile Joined September 2012
England141 Posts
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1694
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.

So according to you, a map is only good if we see infestor/broodlord vs. marine/tank/medivac/viking vs. whatever deathball a Protoss shits out?
Yeah, no. Good maps allow for the metagame, while also allowing for new/less common strats so as to enable the widest possible range of play within the limits of balance.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1695
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


It's because of that philosophy that SC2 has been stagnant for like a year now.
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:29:58
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1696
On December 16 2012 17:27 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD

60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base.
I don't see your point?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything?

a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me

Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time

oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now


Not in proleague

Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game

This is not realistic, you don't seem to know what the Proleague is.

It's not a BW statistic, it's a league statistic. Foreigners haven't played or won in Proleague for a very long time. That's going to change very soon This is a very exciting time to be in. You should be excited and watching the games.

I don't think it makes sense to carry over broodwar statistics. There was no foreign scene, unless fifty amateurs playing four hours a day while going to school counts.
GuMiho <3
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:29:28
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1697
--- Nuked ---
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:29:34
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1698
On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad.

JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match.

yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz

Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets.

He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months

Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now.

Based on what? He did ok in Up/Downs pretty recently, played one bad game in the opening Proleague match and has been called 'bad' ever since.

Plus was probably one of the top 3 or 4 players in SlayersEG when they were in the GSTL.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
December 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#1699
Well at least the next game is on cloud kingdom
Year of MaxPax
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
December 16 2012 08:29 GMT
#1700
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


What a strange thing to say. If a map actually changes the trends, then that is seen as a good thing by many. SC2 will be more fun if you have to play the map and not just go through the motions.
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