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On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map.
When teams pick players, do they know the map before they pick the player?
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On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map.
Pretty sure that's the SC2 mentality, if a map isn't 50-50 for every matchup its shit and people are going to whine endlessly about it.
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On December 16 2012 17:29 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map. When teams pick players, do they know the map before they pick the player?
what else should they base their seeding on?
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On December 16 2012 17:27 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad. JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match. yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets. He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now. How is he bad? He made it into the ro16 in the previous GSL and was a pretty significant factor to SlayerS making it to the finals of GSTL.
I don't think jyp will be bad, there are PUMA and Zenio there, but they decided to put jyp out. Clearly, he shouldn't be a pushover.
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United States97276 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:27 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad. JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match. yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets. He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now. How is he bad? He made it into the ro16 in the previous GSL and was a pretty significant factor to SlayerS making it to the finals of GSTL.
also his only PvZ losses recently are to Code S zergs: Life (GSL Champ), HyuN (GSL Runner up), and a bo1 to BBoongBBoong (who appears to have learned how to play ZvP these days recently beating Seed, Crank, JYP, among outhers). EffOrt looked pretty bad last week. JYP definitely has a chance
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On December 16 2012 17:28 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 oBlade wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD 60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base. I don't see your point? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything? a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now Not in proleague  Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game This is not realistic, you don't seem to know what the Proleague is. It's not a BW statistic, it's a league statistic. Foreigners haven't played or won in Proleague for a very long time. That's going to change very soon This is a very exciting time to be in. You should be excited and watching the games. I don't think it makes sense to carry over broodwar statistics. There was no foreign scene, unless a couple hundred amateurs playing four hours a day while going to school counts.
he's referencing when we had foreigners legitimately playing in Korea hardcore and shit
like MANY MANY MOONS AGO
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On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad. JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match. yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets. He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now.
I prefer him over PuMa.
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Didn't like any of the games so far. The best one was the JD one, but even that wasn't really good. kind of disappointing. I blame the maps.
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What is up with Leta anyway, where have you gone
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United States97276 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:29 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map. When teams pick players, do they know the map before they pick the player?
yes
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On December 16 2012 17:29 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map. When teams pick players, do they know the map before they pick the player?
yes they know the map but not who the other team will send
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On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map. maps make the metagame metagame shouldn't make the maps
NO! THE GAME MUST NEVER CHANGE! FRESH STRATEGIES ARE BAD! IN FACT WE SHOULD PLAY EVERY GAME ON DAYBREAK!
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On December 16 2012 17:27 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad. JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match. yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets. He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now. How is he bad? He made it into the ro16 in the previous GSL and was a pretty significant factor to SlayerS making it to the finals of GSTL.
Okay, maybe I'm wrong then. But he's not as good as he used to be.
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On December 16 2012 17:29 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map. When teams pick players, do they know the map before they pick the player?
All you know is the map
you pick players for each map. On a map like TDA, you can assume that no protoss is going to be fielded, so you probably want to play a zerg or terran on that map. That's why so many ZvZs take place on TDA in pro league
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On December 16 2012 17:29 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Belha wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 K3Nyy wrote:
The maps look really good. Why are you guys complaining wanting to see 200/200 turtlefest games with 1 giant engagement? At least here we can see a little more action with harass and small engagements. Uh, Arkanoid is basically a NR20 map so it's like the opposite of what you say This. But i agree that the other maps are refreshing. Arkanioid is a cute map that simply suck in Sc2 because the map-related race imbalance. not every map has to be good for every race, and just because it is does not make it a bad map. Pretty sure that's the SC2 mentality, if a map isn't 50-50 for every matchup its shit and people are going to whine endlessly about it.
I remember when David Kim said something along those lines and the community crucified him, despite the fact that many other people had been saying the same thing for a long time.
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On December 16 2012 17:30 coasts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 soulist wrote:On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad. JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match. yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets. He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now. How is he bad? He made it into the ro16 in the previous GSL and was a pretty significant factor to SlayerS making it to the finals of GSTL. Okay, maybe I'm wrong then. But he's not as good as he used to be.
I don't think he ever made it past RO16?
He's only getting better every season lol
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Northern Ireland25237 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:29 booksmartguy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 soulist wrote:On December 16 2012 17:26 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:24 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:22 mambar wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 coasts wrote:On December 16 2012 17:19 TommyP wrote:
Well at least EGTL is going to win the next two, but the foreigner losses make me sad. JYP beating Effort? This is probably going to an ace match. yeah cuz JYP is famous for having bad pvz Is he actually famous for bad pvz? or are you being sarcastic? I can't tell just cause it is internets. He's being sarcastic. JYP had the highest win rate in PvZ in GSL/GSTL for like several months Oh, cool. But JYP is kinda bad now. How is he bad? He made it into the ro16 in the previous GSL and was a pretty significant factor to SlayerS making it to the finals of GSTL. I don't think jyp will be bad, there are PUMA and Zenio there, but they decided to put jyp out. Clearly, he shouldn't be a pushover.
Aye those picks worked out ok, although I think a top-form Puma is as good if not better than JYP he's not been up there for a while. Puma's vZ is a bit wonky of late, Zenio's formerly godlike ZvZ is pretty poor of late and JYP, while reasonably well-rounded is still a vZ specialist.
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On December 16 2012 17:28 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:27 oBlade wrote:On December 16 2012 17:25 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 Hyperionnn wrote:On December 16 2012 17:23 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 GreyKnight wrote:On December 16 2012 17:21 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:20 Grend wrote:On December 16 2012 17:20 casualman wrote:On December 16 2012 17:17 jinorazi wrote:
7 years and 6 months since the last time a foreigner won a match XD 60 years since South Korea has been the US's military base. I don't see your point? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? What the fuck did what he write have to do with anything? a foreigner lost in proleague right now....are you fucking kidding me Foreigners beat koreans in starcraft all the time oz is like every foreigner's punching bag right now Not in proleague Proleague is an insignificant part of the starcraft 2 scene right now...I don't see how limiting starcraft 2 to just proleague makes any sense. And there's no point in carrying over bw statistics, that was a different game This is not realistic, you don't seem to know what the Proleague is. It's not a BW statistic, it's a league statistic. Foreigners haven't played or won in Proleague for a very long time. That's going to change very soon This is a very exciting time to be in. You should be excited and watching the games. I don't think it makes sense to carry over broodwar statistics. There was no foreign scene, unless fifty amateurs playing four hours a day while going to school counts.
It's not a BW statistic. It's a league statistic. Not of legends. The unified Proleague has been running for a long time. Did you know that EGTL is not the first foreign team to play in it?
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