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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
I'm ready to just give up on this completely now >.< | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:45 Nightshade_ wrote: I'm ready to just give up on this completely now >.<I'm with you Nightshade, but I don't even want to play. Battling for every spot behind the Koreans, feeling as if apart of the special olympics. Relevance hinging on Koreans not becoming as proficient in English, and advertising enough drivel to out twitter follow the competition. No, that's not the life. Luckily, I'm ready to apply for the PR/news position, and it looks like that's what is needed atm. Let me give it a shot. Your guess is as good as mine, but someone has to seem official. Nightshade, while it's an honor to have received interest from you, we were aiming for a touchdown; we were dropped back in the pocket, needing to put some points up on the board, so we threw it in the endzone. While the players we passed to might not necessarily have been better than you, and they might botch the pass (probably will), we just felt the players already in the endzone offered us better odds. We felt you were a player/individual that was closer to the endzone than most, so keep progressing down the field and we will be looking for you next time around. You're a great prospect. It's just people are at different stages in their development. Some have 0 twitter followers. Others have 10. You were merely a victim of fourth down. Why not announce that we have recruited some players? In previously mentioned news, we lost our media guy. Not only that, but we no longer have the academy house opened. Even if scoring a touchdown were deserving of excitement, where's our camera guy to record the celebratory spike and dance? Hint, maybe you should have applied for that position. Without a house and MLG not having an open bracket, we just lost 2 quivers out the academy bag. Those were our main quivers, if not our only ones. We would rather just keep things low key atm, while we continue to think of ways to make being in the academy worthwhile. Would hate to think it just seems like if you ever amount to something, we have dibs on you. Sole negotiating rights. When it's more subtle or beneficial for both parties, perhaps we will put news like this on front street. There's a few things I want to note, Nightshade. If you were interested in someone, would you keep in touch with them? If you don't, who is to say someone else doesn't come along and take what you're eying? Common sense, Nightshade, has to prevail over wishful thinking, sometimes. Spending that energy on practicing could be the difference between getting in or not, next time. On the bright side, without a house, there is no hard cap on how many players can be in the Academy, as it was previously limited to beds/space. We have to mull over this number and evaluate whether or not to settle on a number that is a bit higher than before, or to take it on a case by case basis. Either way, I'm liking your chances in the future. Next time, we will hope to be in a better spot, like second and goal, against the leagues worst rated defense. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
While anyway, anyone just up for practicing or what not? Im still looking for a team to do so. | ||
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Zennith
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:58 KiF1rE wrote: PLaya your post is confusing, are you associated with complexity or not.... though you do bring up a valid point... Where is the academy going with the house closing and no open bracket? Just looks kind of dark for trying to make a push now a days as player. While anyway, anyone just up for practicing or what not? Im still looking for a team to do so. I have no affiliation with Complexity. Nor do I have any idea on this situation. Sorry for the confusion. I'm merely trying to go pro at guessing. Look at it this way, though, if I were drastically wrong... surely someone from CoL would set the record straight! I was looking out for you. | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 26 2013 20:22 Nightshade_ wrote: so is there ever going to be a response or are we just holding our breath for a disappointment? No need for a response. How could I have not been spot on? While it will be interesting to see what will happen, with the developments that have happened since the tournament was announced, it's probably hard to have anything finalized. I wish more would join in on the conjecture, though. With the time that this has taken, imagine picking a zerg from the tournament that showed great broodlord/infestor play... by the time he's in the academy, HotS is out and people couldn't care less about that abomination that is WoL. You would probably just want to redo it. Also worth noting, is that not everyone has a good enough computer/internet to stream, so if the players no longer have the option of playing on equipment provided by sponsors, what impact does that have? Who knows, though, an announcement could be close; Lake said that CoL signed a new player in an interview, and then like 2-3 weeks later they actually revealed who it was. All you can do is play HotS and wait and see. | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On January 26 2013 21:31 playa wrote: No need for a response. How could I have not been spot on? While it will be interesting to see what will happen, with the developments that have happened since the tournament was announced, it's probably hard to have anything finalized. I wish more would join in on the conjecture, though. With the time that this has taken, imagine picking a zerg from the tournament that showed great broodlord/infestor play... by the time he's in the academy, HotS is out and people couldn't care less about that abomination that is WoL. You would probably just want to redo it. Also worth noting, is that not everyone has a good enough computer/internet to stream, so if the players no longer have the option of playing on equipment provided by sponsors, what impact does that have? Who knows, though, an announcement could be close; Lake said that CoL signed a new player in an interview, and then like 2-3 weeks later they actually revealed who it was. All you can do is play HotS and wait and see. please stop posting | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
Please stop being a kid that is asking "are we there yet?" They're aware you would like to be informed. Asking 5 more times isn't going to change that. If they're not saying anything, then I guess they don't have anything to report. If it bothers you that much and you feel so deserving, how about trying to join another team. There are other teams with academies. I'm suggesting reasons for why they probably haven't come to anything concrete yet. What are you suggesting? The world is out to piss off Nightshade_? If my posting bothers you, then I guess that's just more proof for the world conspiring against poor lil nightshade_. | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On January 27 2013 06:58 playa wrote: Please stop being a kid that is asking "are we there yet?" They're aware you would like to be informed. Asking 5 more times isn't going to change that. If they're not saying anything, then I guess they don't have anything to report. If it bothers you that much and you feel so deserving, how about trying to join another team. There are other teams with academies. I'm suggesting reasons for why they probably haven't come to anything concrete yet. What are you suggesting? The world is out to piss off Nightshade_? If my posting bothers you, then I guess that's just more proof for the world conspiring against poor lil nightshade_. When they are 1 and a half months past the announcement time and every week they say "next week" it's a valid question. No one gives a shit that you can type a wall of text, you're not doing anything to help anyone, and you're hurting my eyes. I don't know what your obsession is with me in specific but I could honestly care less. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 27 2013 07:17 Nightshade_ wrote: When they are 1 and a half months past the announcement time and every week they say "next week" it's a valid question. No one gives a shit that you can type a wall of text, you're not doing anything to help anyone, and you're hurting my eyes. I don't know what your obsession is with me in specific but I could honestly care less. I could tell you I'm going out to dinner with my Grandpa next week. He could die before that time comes. There could be some understanding of why I didn't end up seeing him, or we can blame me for not "sticking to my promises." Point is, it doesn't really matter what is said, if key things change during the time period. After the tournament, what happened? They decided to shutdown the gaming house. A key thing. What has happened recently? There's news of no open bracket at MLG. A key thing. What were the two main perks for being in the academy? Living in a gaming house and having the chance to compete in the open bracket. If all of the sudden your two main perks are gone or at least a question mark, then it's probably hard to carry on as business as usual. These are just some of the new hurdles that we are aware of. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes on their side of things. I don't know your story, but if anyone in CoL played BW, beside theSTC, then I'm sure I was probably better than them, and I don't see any reason why I couldn't be better than them in HotS. Even if that were true, what if that doesn't necessarily give better odds for sponsor dollars paying dividends than someone that is more of a personality with slightly less skill? Everyone would like to have more information and understanding. Maybe life isn't always fair, though, but if going the forum route hasn't proven to get you where you want to go, maybe you should try emailing Twix. If that doesn't work out, what will? Trying to blackmail people? There's only so much you can do besides just waiting like everyone else. | ||
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FuzzySc2
Canada140 Posts
On January 27 2013 07:49 playa wrote: I could tell you I'm going out to dinner with my Grandpa next week. He could die before that time comes. There could be some understanding of why I didn't end up seeing him, or we can blame me for not "sticking to my promises." Point is, it doesn't really matter what is said, if key things change during the time period. After the tournament, what happened? They decided to shutdown the gaming house. A key thing. What has happened recently? There's news of no open bracket at MLG. A key thing. What were the two main perks for being in the academy? Living in a gaming house and having the chance to compete in the open bracket. I'm a retard all of the sudden your two main perks are gone or at least a question mark, then it's probably hard to carry on as business as usual. These are just some of the new hurdles that we are aware of. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes on their side of things. I don't know your story, but if anyone in CoL played BW, beside theSTC, then I'm sure I was probably better than them, and I don't see any reason why I couldn't be better than them in HotS. Even if that were true, what if that doesn't necessarily give better odds for sponsor dollars paying dividends than someone that is more of a personality with slightly less skill? Everyone would like to have more information and understanding. Maybe life isn't always fair, though, but if going the forum route hasn't proven to get you where you want to go, maybe you should try emailing Twix. If that doesn't work out, what will? Trying to blackmail people? There's only so much you can do besides just waiting like everyone else. Youre too focuses on "2 major perks" being in the academy provides you with good connections for practice partners as well as extra academy only tournaments (academy vs X main team member and Team leagues). Compare this with other teams that would accept you and you will see that it would be in your best interest to join the academy over other teams. The academy recruits high master - GM, so again please name me 1 team that you can join at that skill level that would provide something even close to what the academy is providing. Academy members get to practice with main team as long as you ask, which a majority of the time means you also get time to play with other NA and EU pros as well as semi-pro players that range in the mid - high GM skill level. Regardless please check out this thread as it is very enlightening http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367307 Please respond with your opinion on what it is! | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 27 2013 08:38 FuzzySc2 wrote: Youre too focuses on "2 major perks" being in the academy provides you with good connections for practice partners as well as extra academy only tournaments (academy vs X main team member and Team leagues). Compare this with other teams that would accept you and you will see that it would be in your best interest to join the academy over other teams. The academy recruits high master - GM, so again please name me 1 team that you can join at that skill level that would provide something even close to what the academy is providing. Academy members get to practice with main team as long as you ask, which a majority of the time means you also get time to play with other NA and EU pros as well as semi-pro players that range in the mid - high GM skill level. Regardless please check out this thread as it is very enlightening http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367307 Please respond with your opinion on what it is! I'm kinda passive and don't really like to intrude on others. While I wouldn't turn down practice, I would just feel like I were bothering players if they were better. Say minigun were still in CoL, I would owe him money or something for wasting his time. I'm not sure how big of an adv practice partners (outside of ladder) are in SC 2. I know in BW it didn't really seem to matter besides when it came tournament time. I do think that played a big part in helping a lot of EG guys qualify year after year, despite not necessarily being better than others (not talking about players like nyoken). They just lived together and practiced on the maps together. But, in SC 2, with the current ladder system and map pool used between tournaments and ladder, I'm not sure how big of an adv that is. Scarlett seems to do alright, a self-proclaimed ladder player. I also agreed with Scarlett's sentiment that players often play the same style, so you kinda start playing a game like you were map hacking or something. It's not the same. It really depends on what kinda practice is it. Focusing on builds you're having trouble against kinda thing? Getting more games in on non ladder maps than your future opponents? I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm intrigued as to how advantageous it is. I can count on 1 hand, probably, the amount of teams I've tried to join in the past 10 years. I couldn't answer your question on what other teams provide. As for the thread you linked, I'm not a whale expert, but I've seen Free Willy. So, I'm close to an expert, and I gotta tell you, that looks nothing like my whale, Willy. On the other hand, have you seen sharks? All kinds of variety. You could confuse a dog with a shark; they come in that many shape and sizes. So, obviously the thing in question is a shark. What kind of shark is really the only question. | ||
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Midday
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-Kyo-
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On January 27 2013 09:09 playa wrote: I'm kinda passive and don't really like to intrude on others. While I wouldn't turn down practice, I would just feel like I were bothering players if they were better. Say minigun were still in CoL, I would owe him money or something for wasting his time. guess u owe a lot of people money for practice fuzzy huehuehe, at least you got another mark to the shark count though. Just so the other two people are aware posting like you have been doesn't really help the process go faster, and for playa, you should probably drop the hubris you have carried through from simply playing BW because frankly it has no weight on SC2. If you think you'd be better than X% of people in SC2 the only way to know is to play competitively. Theorizing based on previous gameplay is quite the red herring. + Show Spoiler + definitely a shark | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 27 2013 09:23 -Kyo- wrote: guess u owe a lot of people money for practice fuzzy huehuehe, at least you got another mark to the shark count though. Just so the other two people are aware posting like you have been doesn't really help the process go faster, and for playa, you should probably drop the hubris you have carried through from simply playing BW because frankly it has no weight on SC2. If you think you'd be better than X% of people in SC2 the only way to know is to play competitively. Theorizing based on previous gameplay is quite the red herring. + Show Spoiler + definitely a shark I respectfully have to disagree. When I look at Terran, I just don't see anyone that really became better than a BW player that was better than them (unless they switched to Terran for SC 2). When I look at Toss, it's not really a question of who was better in BW, but who was better in WC 3. They're killing us in micro. However, with Zerg, say 1 player has one hand and the other has two, I couldn't tell who to expect to be better. I have no idea what is going on with that race in SC 2. I have hunches, but ultimately it looks like a crapshoot to me. The biggest reasons to not expect someone to become better in SC 2, given the same amount of games, if they were previously better than you, is APM and how much of a copy cat they are. High apm players are losing an advantage. Players that want to play copy cat when there are no established builds are obviously going to have a harder time, too. Another thing is, the newer a game, the stronger all-ins are. It takes a while for people to figure out how to stop everything. But to me, I don't consider this a better player. It's an illusion that hinges on time. Sooner or later, reality will set in. | ||
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FuzzySc2
Canada140 Posts
Sooner or later, reality will set in. Oh i really do hope so | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
I'm getting that feel... so where am I wrong? Major was the best foreign BW Terran player to switch to SC 2, at least when you factor in potential. To me, he's probably the best SC 2 Terran player. With Toss, Nony was the biggest copy cat of them all, so it's unreasonable to expect the same from him in SC 2. I would probably go with Mana. With Zerg, you see players that were C- in BW that are now unbeatable. You see players like Ret who aren't relevant. It's definitely the hardest race to try to draw conclusions from. But, with the other two races, given both players put in the same amount of time in a previous RTS game, I have no idea why anyone would expect for there to be a big difference in where they rank. I'm not saying it's an exact science, but, a C- Toss or Terran in BW shouldn't be winning anything in SC 2. When they do, I'll admit that there's just no way to say players will fall within a certain range. I'll be waiting a while, though, I feel. | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 27 2013 10:36 Nightshade_ wrote: Sorry if you feel threatened by me Playa, but writing long, boring paragraphs and walls of text won't increase your chances of getting accepted, and to be honest I'm pretty sure they're not going to accept anyone from video apps simply due to the SC2 team struggling at the moment. Are you trolling? I find "are we there yet" posts a lot more riveting and engaging. If you haven't noticed, I don't comment unless it's trying to explain to you reasons why you demanding answers has no bearing on how quickly you will receive them in this thread. Maybe I could save you from asking a 7th time. There reaches a point, where even if you were going to pick someone, you would say "hey, this guy is really freaking annoying and rubbing me the wrong way, so maybe I'll rethink it." At least I would. I didn't make a video app. As for walls of texts, it might not help your chances, but it might help you have a conversation on... SC 2. Next time you play a SC 2 game, try playing it like your posts. Try using a few letters per game and see how convincing your win is. If you don't think the video app will help you, then you must be telling me you either won the tournament or were very close to doing so, or else I have no idea why you're so curious. | ||
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