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On January 27 2013 08:38 FuzzySc2 wrote: Youre too focuses on "2 major perks" being in the academy provides you with good connections for practice partners as well as extra academy only tournaments (academy vs X main team member and Team leagues). Compare this with other teams that would accept you and you will see that it would be in your best interest to join the academy over other teams. The academy recruits high master - GM, so again please name me 1 team that you can join at that skill level that would provide something even close to what the academy is providing. Academy members get to practice with main team as long as you ask, which a majority of the time means you also get time to play with other NA and EU pros as well as semi-pro players that range in the mid - high GM skill level. Regardless please check out this thread as it is very enlightening http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367307 Please respond with your opinion on what it is!
practice... massing ladder in a ghost town gets old, only real reason i seem impatient. and playa you say there are other teams with academies? What would those be? As vVv is a really weak lineup and so is FXO on the academy side. While col and academy is solid but one thing im not sure with even with the col academy how much do you guys practice and is it possible to just sit in on practices till this is announced? or even if i dont get in would really just love to expand my practice group especially for HOTS release coming up.
also its a shark.
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On January 27 2013 11:58 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 08:38 FuzzySc2 wrote: Youre too focuses on "2 major perks" being in the academy provides you with good connections for practice partners as well as extra academy only tournaments (academy vs X main team member and Team leagues). Compare this with other teams that would accept you and you will see that it would be in your best interest to join the academy over other teams. The academy recruits high master - GM, so again please name me 1 team that you can join at that skill level that would provide something even close to what the academy is providing. Academy members get to practice with main team as long as you ask, which a majority of the time means you also get time to play with other NA and EU pros as well as semi-pro players that range in the mid - high GM skill level. Regardless please check out this thread as it is very enlightening http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367307 Please respond with your opinion on what it is! practice... massing ladder in a ghost town gets old, only real reason i seem impatient. and playa you say there are other teams with academies? What would those be? As vVv is a really weak lineup and so is FXO on the academy side. While col and academy is solid but one thing im not sure with even with the col academy how much do you guys practice and is it possible to just sit in on practices till this is announced? or even if i dont get in would really just love to expand my practice group especially for HOTS release coming up. also its a shark.
I was thinking of FXO. FXO has a very weak NA lineup, too (or at least top heavy). While perks are nice, if you were in an academy, I think the biggest motivator would be "hey, some of these guys in the main team... I think I could prove I'm at that level." As long as the team is stable and what not, to me it seem like your main priority would be being able to envision cracking the lineup. Then, maybe practicing with "gosus" might become more of a priority. While I don't know you, KiFre, I think I've gathered that you're probably way better than any Toss in the FXO lineup (aside from maybe Desrow). When you see things like that, frankly, you should be in a team. Being impatient is probably a good thing at times.
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Anybody else get their emails? Just got mine.
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On January 27 2013 13:16 LgNKami wrote:
Anybody else get their emails? Just got mine.
Yeah.. Rejected.
Playa as far as fxo toss go theory is their strongest. Desrow only takes games when I make mistakes, but desrow is their most popular. But the academy doesnt practice much or properly from what ive seen.
Guess I can scratch off col academy for now. But my options for a team are like zero now. But its an awkward reality that ive accomplished more in my esports career than most pro teams combined, yet cant even find practice partners =/
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On January 27 2013 13:38 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 13:16 LgNKami wrote:
Anybody else get their emails? Just got mine. Yeah.. Rejected. Playa as far as fxo toss go theory is their strongest. Desrow only takes games when I make mistakes, but desrow is there most popular. But the academy doesnt practice much or properly from what ive seen. Guess I can scratch off col academy for now. But my options for a team are like zero now.
That's insane. It's so much easier to find a "good" zerg player, than a NA Terran or Toss. Hopefully it will be a different story in HotS and it will only accentuate your skills. I got rejected, too, but after a month or w/e with no correspondence, I don't need a message unless it's a message to pass on to nightshade.
I obviously don't know all of the applicants and what not, but that's a crime. I heard on your stream you said you beat stephano and someone else. I think I did also notice you at number 2 in HotS at one point. What game is a month away from launch? Come on. I don't want to be a sore loser, but come on. Bias against Toss or something.
I had the same mmr as Karmy after a month and a half of playing, starting last year. I'm 2-0 that guy. Imagine just how much better you are than some of these guys. I'm sure they have more to offer. Something is wrong, that's all I'm saying.
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On January 27 2013 13:38 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 13:16 LgNKami wrote:
Anybody else get their emails? Just got mine. But the academy doesnt practice much or properly from what ive seen. Guess I can scratch off col academy for now. But my options for a team are like zero now. But its an awkward reality that ive accomplished more in my esports career than most pro teams combined, yet cant even find practice partners =/
edit: I couldn't really tell if you were talking about FXO academy or coL acad so ignore this if it was FXO.
I'd just like to correct you on this... When the house was around last semester people such as qxc were constantly asking ME for practice when I'm obviously not as good as the A team(and this was when I was playing like 5 games a week due to school). There was set amounts of time for coL inhouse practice where NA and EU, sometimes even KR pros would jump on and practice set best of X games together to help work on things before MLG. Keep in mind, a lot of the academy members are in school/have other obligations. We practice together when we can, but by no means are held by a stringent schedule as we're not pro players.
The academy is for fostering talent and getting you into contact with much better players, as well as opportunity with tournaments/MLG/showmatches/Casting/housing opportunity etc. A lot of the players on the academy are what you'd call natural players... people like sasquatch before he got promoted and fuzzy play almost exclusively custom games with practice partners/not very many games in general yet still compete very well. Of course sasquatch plays a lot more now that he's on main roster, but the point is, the players use the time they have effectively. To say we don't practice much or properly just doesn't seem right to me.
Kif1re I read your blog about your gaming history and know you in game as well, but what is really important in organizations like this and what you kind of need to realize is that there is limited spots. Complexity has always been a team that looks to talent/ability to contribute to the team first rather than your past e-sports career. Now, while I personally think you're a good player/involved it's up to the specific management of the academy team to decide if you or someone else is more qualified. I know you've applied before, but because you didn't get it does not mean that the players themselves don't practice properly edit2: also.. just because u don't see people have games broadcasted or what not at MLGs does not mean the players perform poorly...The problem is just no one acknowledges anything from open bracket even if you're only 1 or 2 rounds off champ bracket which is quite sad~
With that said, good to see some emails going out. Hopefully many of you are getting your answers!
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On January 27 2013 14:35 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 13:38 KiF1rE wrote:On January 27 2013 13:16 LgNKami wrote:
Anybody else get their emails? Just got mine. But the academy doesnt practice much or properly from what ive seen. Guess I can scratch off col academy for now. But my options for a team are like zero now. But its an awkward reality that ive accomplished more in my esports career than most pro teams combined, yet cant even find practice partners =/ edit: I couldn't really tell if you were talking about FXO academy or coL acad so ignore this if it was FXO. I'd just like to correct you on this... When the house was around last semester people such as qxc were constantly asking ME for practice when I'm obviously not as good as the A team(and this was when I was playing like 5 games a week due to school). There was set amounts of time for coL inhouse practice where NA and EU, sometimes even KR pros would jump on and practice set best of X games together to help work on things before MLG. Keep in mind, a lot of the academy members are in school/have other obligations. We practice together when we can, but by no means are held by a stringent schedule as we're not pro players. The academy is for fostering talent and getting you into contact with much better players, as well as opportunity with tournaments/MLG/showmatches/Casting/housing opportunity etc. A lot of the players on the academy are what you'd call natural players... people like sasquatch before he got promoted and fuzzy play almost exclusively custom games with practice partners/not very many games in general yet still compete very well. Of course sasquatch plays a lot more now that he's on main roster, but the point is, the players use the time they have effectively. To say we don't practice much or properly just doesn't seem right to me. Kif1re I read your blog about your gaming history and know you in game as well, but what is really important in organizations like this and what you kind of need to realize is that there is limited spots. Complexity has always been a team that looks to talent/ability to contribute to the team first rather than your past e-sports career. Now, while I personally think you're a good player/involved it's up to the specific management of the academy team to decide if you or someone else is more qualified. I know you've applied before, but because you didn't get it does not mean that the players themselves don't practice properly ~ With that said, good to see some emails going out. Hopefully many of you are getting your answers!
uhh yeah that whole entire sentence was talking about FXO lol... A few posts back I asked what the Col academy actually does for practice though as I wasnt sure. As that was more of a shadowy ground that no one really talks about.
Yeah and Kyo I realize there are limited spots, but the disappointment with myself comes into play that I wasnt just talking about complexity though, when I talked about not finding anything. My best standing team offer atm is 1 dollars per win in a clanwar with the team owner being 15 and a tshirt, with their highest ranking player being a diamond. Thats about as far as I get and all im looking for an "effective" practice environment. but thats why I feel repeatedly hurt when I look back at what ive done in the past and try to look forward with a "positive" view is not easy. Even when it comes to say teams, even if they dont let me join, ive even put out offers to just show up to practices or asked about that type of stuff, even just practicing with players of mid masters level i get told no alot lol...
Im the type of player where if you beat me hard, I analyze the hell out of those games and then come back stronger. Which is something I dont get on the ladder, Especially if im not sure where I went wrong and im just sitting their analyzing and cant find a clear solution, and one simple question could save weeks of non improvement. And the better the player the more my flaws are exposed... either way with the holidays and stuff over... I really need to start doing my 4 4 4 shift for 12 hour practice days again with hots though, While time isnt quality, Time is what I have the most of.
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On January 27 2013 13:38 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 13:16 LgNKami wrote:
Anybody else get their emails? Just got mine. Yeah.. Rejected. Playa as far as fxo toss go theory is their strongest. Desrow only takes games when I make mistakes, but desrow is their most popular. But the academy doesnt practice much or properly from what ive seen. Guess I can scratch off col academy for now. But my options for a team are like zero now. But its an awkward reality that ive accomplished more in my esports career than most pro teams combined, yet cant even find practice partners =/
Oh okay, I always thought people lose by playing perfect and not making mistakes.
Took a look at my replay folder, Played you twice on january 2nd. You barely have bonus pool and you're around 900 http://sc2ranks.com/us/291685/KiFirE
My smurf is around 1300 points and my main account is top40 GM. You played me when i was commentating a lot and reading chat while playing. I've stopped since then and saw a drastic improvement over my gameplay/ranking.
I honestly wish you the best of luck finding a team but bragging over ladder wins vs notable or known (in my case) players is not the right way to go, at least not on public forums 
GLHF!
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lol true that desrow, kifire you need to get over yourself a little bit, youre not that good
your attitude is probably why you cant find practice partners btw.
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Blame me. I set him up. It's easy to appear modest and undeserving when you're known and have fans. No matter what you say, there's going to be someone reciting your bio to any doubters. To actually become known, outside of winning a tournament, though, someone has to bring your story/facts to the table. While I don't know Kif1re, I'm under the impression that he's probably better than some academy memebers that might be giving him reasons for why they're ultimately more deserving than him.
I had to pump his tires, as I thought he was underselling himself. What mentality do you think Idra has? If he loses, it's always his fault or bad luck, because if he played how he is capable he would win, right? It's a mindset. A lot of us have it. Plus, if you beat a player a good bit, it's a bit hard to worship them. What would you have to think of yourself in comparison, then? You must be god himself? If one of you is good and the other has a similar enough MMR to play you, then odds are both must be pretty damn good. Trying to split hairs, chalk it up to kids being competitive.
Anyone can beat anyone for the most part, but if you have that MMR and you're not cannon rushing people or 4 gating every game, then you both probably deserve to be in a team. If one isn't in a team, it would be weak to not maybe embellish your feelings, be it due to ladder wins or not. No one is wrong. All gosus. If you had to fear someone jumping in to criticize every comment you made, no one would say anything.
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http://sc2ranks.com/us/291685/KiFirE
im going to assume that this isnt the kifire we're talking about
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and I dont see why so many people are into practice partners, you get on a bad NA team and you practice vs bad NA players and then you go to korea and lose to people doing the same thing but much better or without mentally challenged decision making.
Would rather just ladder on better servers.
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On January 28 2013 02:18 FXOdesRow wrote:I honestly wish you the best of luck finding a team but bragging over ladder wins vs notable or known (in my case) players is not the right way to go, at least not on public forums GLHF!
sorry I still hold grudges as BM to me is hard to let go...While calling you out probably wasnt the best idea, But you know the sad reality is if i just sit here and say GL HF every game and GG and try to be the best I can be with manner... its always who are you? and in return I get bmed back, By successful players like you.... If I hype one thing on a forum, Guess what I just got more publicity for this one freaking comment then I did for everything I won in wol.... All $4500 of it.... and possibly judging since Ive gotten around 15+ emails on it and now getting twitter messages, that's more publicity then I got over my 20 years of competing in esports... Whats next, im going to get my first interview over this? as opposed to winning countless tournaments and a few major ones over the years? Sorry for going into that, but its just frustrating.
and that account on NA is essentially my warm up account atm, My alt is alot higher and between that alot of time has been spent with hots.
On January 28 2013 02:49 playa wrote:
Blame me. I set him up. It's easy to appear modest and undeserving when you're known and have fans. No matter what you say, there's going to be someone reciting your bio to any doubters. To actually become known, outside of winning a tournament, though, someone has to bring your story/facts to the table. While I don't know Kif1re, I'm under the impression that he's probably better than some academy memebers that might be giving him reasons for why they're ultimately more deserving than him.
I had to pump his tires, as I thought he was underselling himself. What mentality do you think Idra has? If he loses, it's always his fault or bad luck, because if he played how he is capable he would win, right? It's a mindset. A lot of us have it. Plus, if you beat a player a good bit, it's a bit hard to worship them. What would you have to think of yourself in comparison, then? You must be god himself? If one of you is good and the other has a similar enough MMR to play you, then odds are both must be pretty damn good. Trying to split hairs, chalk it up to kids being competitive.
Anyone can beat anyone for the most part, but if you have that MMR and you're not cannon rushing people or 4 gating every game, then you both probably deserve to be in a team. If one isn't in a team, it would be weak to not maybe embellish your feelings, be it due to ladder wins or not. No one is wrong. All gosus. If you had to fear someone jumping in to criticize every comment you made, no one would say anything.
Yeah I fell into that, again sorry desrow. but playa is right, If I just sit here humbly, and be like yes I practice and compete alot. Probably why ive never gone anywhere in sc2. but im not sure whether to thank you or blame you playa lol.... Granted becoming the villain is probably not the direction where I want to go, but it the sad reality of this community is that ive got more publicity over that then anything, and its frustrating tbh. I really dont see anything wrong with my true attitude with who I want to be, im competitive and practice to one day be best. Winning that world championship has been my goal for several years, Ive came close but everything has its ups and downs and my SC2 is definitely a down point. But I practice to fix that. Ive let this down point get the best of me and I would say I need to practice harder, But harder is impossible, I need to practice more quality. And break out of being down both in game in and in real life and my mentality as a whole, I need to bring everything up.
Either way, my last post in this thread, Sorry, and thanks to complexity for the opportunity to apply.
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On January 27 2013 10:31 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 09:56 FuzzySc2 wrote:
Sooner or later, reality will set in.
Oh i really do hope so I'm getting that feel... so where am I wrong? Major was the best foreign BW Terran player to switch to SC 2, at least when you factor in potential. To me, he's probably the best SC 2 Terran player. With Toss, Nony was the biggest copy cat of them all, so it's unreasonable to expect the same from him in SC 2. I would probably go with Mana. With Zerg, you see players that were C- in BW that are now unbeatable. You see players like Ret who aren't relevant. It's definitely the hardest race to try to draw conclusions from. But, with the other two races, given both players put in the same amount of time in a previous RTS game, I have no idea why anyone would expect for there to be a big difference in where they rank. I'm not saying it's an exact science, but, a C- Toss or Terran in BW shouldn't be winning anything in SC 2. When they do, I'll admit that there's just no way to say players will fall within a certain range. I'll be waiting a while, though, I feel.
You're so fucking stupid my brain hurts just reading.
Edited: I'll clarify before people get pissed (but honestly if you know anything you won't get pissed).
Major best foreign BW player to switch...? Major is good but uh, Strelok? Brat_OK? All better to have made the switch. I mean I won't get caught up in the drama that your above post provides. Let's just leave it at that, hm?
As for those that will be joining the Academy in the coming months/years/decades... I welcome you with open arms <3
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It's okay to be cocky but if you're going to do it in public, don't expect people to sit by and do nothing.
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Hey guys whats going on in this thr---- OH SHIT.
ib4 off topic discussion = locked thread
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This thread has turned into a nightmare.....got my email as well. ACCEPTED INTO THE GLORIOUS LAND...of rejection.
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I got rejected too..... so who actually got through...
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On January 28 2013 03:26 Ero-Sennin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 10:31 playa wrote:On January 27 2013 09:56 FuzzySc2 wrote:
Sooner or later, reality will set in.
Oh i really do hope so I'm getting that feel... so where am I wrong? Major was the best foreign BW Terran player to switch to SC 2, at least when you factor in potential. To me, he's probably the best SC 2 Terran player. With Toss, Nony was the biggest copy cat of them all, so it's unreasonable to expect the same from him in SC 2. I would probably go with Mana. With Zerg, you see players that were C- in BW that are now unbeatable. You see players like Ret who aren't relevant. It's definitely the hardest race to try to draw conclusions from. But, with the other two races, given both players put in the same amount of time in a previous RTS game, I have no idea why anyone would expect for there to be a big difference in where they rank. I'm not saying it's an exact science, but, a C- Toss or Terran in BW shouldn't be winning anything in SC 2. When they do, I'll admit that there's just no way to say players will fall within a certain range. I'll be waiting a while, though, I feel. You're so fucking stupid my brain hurts just reading.
EroSennin, you're the only reason I believe in miracles. I don't know how you managed to get in a team. On top of not being known, there's a good reason for it. You've never done anything but randomly BM people. That's it. Shouldn't you be busy trying to whore your medical advice on twitter and such? O, have you already tried to get it retweeted by everyone? What's it feel like to know you're taking up spots from more deserving players? Are you trying to be a player or are you trying to be a trainer to help with injuries? I didn't know the Academy was for water boys.
How does it feel to spend all day trying to get things retweeted by "friends," when they ignore you. Makes you want to BM me? Why did you stop BM'ing me in my thread? O, you were the only person of that opinion? Is this your safe haven, where you can rely on your teammates to back your foolishness?
How long have you played SC 2. What's your rank. How many games? Are you a personality? What is it that makes you stand out? I'm missing something.
If what I said is so stupid and wrong, why aren't you winning anything. Why aren't you in the main team. Why can't you become so much better in SC 2 if anyone can do it? Aren't you in an academy to be training more than the opposition. It appears it might be a talent issue. Surely, you couldn't glean from BW who might be more talented than you. Hmm. Keep thinking about it, kid.
As for your edit and talk on Terran players, remember how highly you think of me? Guess what, I'm 3-0 Brat_Ok. I also played Terran, so I might be a little better of a judge than you. As for Strelok, I'm not going to lie, he was really good. There was a period where he was training really hard on Korean servers and had amazing runs in WCG and was def one of the best foreign Terran players. But, like I said, when you factor in potential and current skill level, Major was the person to look out for, be it BW or SC 2. There's a reason Artosis was hyping him so much. What rank do you think you have to be to get try outs with Korean teams? Have you seen Major's multitask? What's his age? How many games did he have in comparison to Strelok who has been playing since way before I started? Towards the end, I remember seeing what was believed to be Strelok's account on iccup. He was doing anything but setting the world on fire.
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I have no idea who you are. I just responded to the post you made in the past because it was so wrong it hurt to read it.
As for what you said above, eh, gibberish.
You may want to fix it though because that seems like a temp ban worthy post.
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There are so many players like you who do not have a team, practice partners, stable income, etc.
Yet they are as good as you, most of them are better.
Do you get it?
P.S. Honestly, if you are not top 100 in the world, seeking a career as a progamer is like falling off the edge of the cliff.
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