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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:03 vthree wrote: He was probably worry about the wonwonwon and the units can always be used to deny the 3rd. Of couse, it would not have been ideal to have that many units. But it wouldn't have been that bad. It's pretty bad because the protoss can just call off the attack and expand after he kills those units. | ||
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Maloreon
United States911 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:50 sitromit wrote: He's 21... Who are his 11 year old competitors? LOL Haha you're right.. I was thinking of his team mate Nestea who is much older. I never realized how young MVP is. My bad. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:01 opterown wrote: | ||
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eonDE
Canada371 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:03 AgentW wrote: If HerO wins game 2, does DRG just pick Whirlwind for game 3 or something? There's so may "Z favored" maps in the pool, in a loser picks format, the Zerg seems to always have the edge. Abyssal City would work fine as well | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Destroyed is a nice way of putting it. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:03 Corsica wrote: yeah man i agree, i just wish we could see Taeja we had in summer, thats the one i meant  Just put him in a winner team league format or a foreign tournament(and don't invite Hero I guess). | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:04 Shellshock1122 wrote: Abyssal City would work fine as well That's my point. Belshir Vestige will work too. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:03 AgentW wrote: If HerO wins game 2, does DRG just pick Whirlwind for game 3 or something? There's so may "Z favored" maps in the pool, in a loser picks format, the Zerg seems to always have the edge. this is why kespa maps with their (supposed) imbalances wouldn't work in a losers' pick format. but yeah, that's how it works lol | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:04 AgentW wrote: That's my point. Belshir Vestige will work too. vestige is a nice map for creator timings | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:05 opterown wrote: vestige is a nice map for creator timings Assuming you can hold the 3rd | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:05 opterown wrote: vestige is a nice map for creator timings I think you see my point though: the map pool seems very Z favored with last pick if the maps are indeed that Z favored. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:06 opterown wrote: wait why did drg expo to the 3rd lol and not 2nd? Pylon block | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
..didn't Creator get demolished by a zerg on Vestige once? | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:51 vthree wrote: DRG didn't build ANY units... Marauders hellions has not work for ages. 2 Fac Blue Flame is decent if zerg doesn't make roaches. But if you look at the game, it seems that Ts lose to all-ins much more frequently in their match ups. One reason is maybe the popularity of the 3 CC builds. It's not so much that Terran has the weakest all-ins, it is that the other races have better defenses/scouting/reaction. Protoss has forcefield and stalker micro to survive super early timings, and observer to scout and react to any later timing. Zerg has overlords and speedlings to scout any build, and the flexibility to react with larvae. Terran has bunkers, which are very good in their own right, but realistically any P all-in has an easy counter (Forcefields, Immortals, Warp Prism, Blink, Colossus); and any Z all-in has either banelings or very early roaches, or both. -- Also a lot of it has to do with the meta-game. Zergs and Protoss typically have not all-in'd Terrans, so it's hard to predict (also as I said, hard to scout) and Terrans have less practice reacting to all-ins. On the other hand, Terrans all-in all the damn time, so Protoss and Zerg have lots of practice scouting (because they have good scouting options) and reacting (because they have more flexible/effective reactions). Finally, on top of it being hard to scout and react for the Terran, it also just doesn't make a lot of logical sense for the Z or P to all-in in the first place, considering how strong they are in the late-game vs. Terran. It sounds grim, but it's just the way it is, and the way it has always been. It's not even a terrible game design, just frustrating at times (just as scv pulling and mules are frustrating). We'll see what happens in HOTS... but instead of giving Terran scouting options in HOTS, they opted for stronger defenses (Widow Mine). | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 17 2012 16:07 glzElectromaster wrote: ..didn't Creator get demolished by a zerg on Vestige once? he beat hyun on vestige, lost by a failwalloff by DRG lol | ||
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sitromit
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