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On December 08 2012 16:44 avilo wrote:
Why are casters saying this is abuse? Everyone knows you can do the sentry FF insta-win on virtually every map with a 1 FF ramp. It's just most Zergs nowadays are knowledgeable enough and prepare for it and shut it down quite easily.
Every single map has a 1 FF ramp except taldarim and that's been fixed to wider because it's not a ramp.
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Doa's analysis is pretty good for little casual me =P
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On December 08 2012 16:44 avilo wrote:
Why are casters saying this is abuse? Everyone knows you can do the sentry FF insta-win on virtually every map with a 1 FF ramp. It's just most Zergs nowadays are knowledgeable enough and prepare for it and shut it down quite easily.
Casters misled noobs here.
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On December 08 2012 16:43 MasterKang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:42 T.O.P. wrote:On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no. I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main. 1 FF choke like Daybreak, Antiga, Entombed, Cloud Kingdom, etc..... It only worked because Best was able to distract hyvaa by harassing the natural like that. so what we're saying is that all maps are imbalanced?
No, it means that this one is not imbalanced and the others are also not, a lot of zergs deflects similar attacks on other maps.
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On December 08 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
I mean if it would make you guys feel better they could make that little choke a ramp instead so it feels like any other map when you get ff'd out of your main?
Most maps don't have that distance to the third... You basically need 2 armies to defend that...
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so glad BeSt won that, get to see the good maps and Fantasy will bank some points.
KeSPA maps are so sick, even if they turn out to be imbalanced they are still FAR more entertaining than Daybreak remakes in the GSL.
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Jesus this doa guy.
The problem with hyvaa is that he placed his NAT in his 3RD SPOT.
If he placed his 2nd hatch in the NAT location, you need 2 ramps ff'ed, compared to normal GSL-WCS maps.
So basically is MORE BALANCED ramp wise than the regular maps.
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On December 08 2012 16:43 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:42 NightElf wrote:
Lol.......I dont understand why SC2 needs choke..For gods sake,make wider choke kespa.this game was really bad..someone losing like that..
Anyway atleast bisu smiled....
gj best.... People will then whine about 4gate v 4gate PvP. See: Tal'Darim Altar, Scrap Station.
I really dont have problem with mechanics...except unlimited selection..
but anyway..its just not good to see player win like that..because hyvaa had no chance to do anything about it
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On December 08 2012 16:47 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:43 MasterKang wrote:On December 08 2012 16:42 T.O.P. wrote:On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no. I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main. 1 FF choke like Daybreak, Antiga, Entombed, Cloud Kingdom, etc..... It only worked because Best was able to distract hyvaa by harassing the natural like that. so what we're saying is that all maps are imbalanced? No, it means that this one is not imbalanced and the others are also not, a lot of zergs deflects similar attacks on other maps.
Which other map has a third that far away?
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On December 08 2012 16:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
I mean if it would make you guys feel better they could make that little choke a ramp instead so it feels like any other map when you get ff'd out of your main? Most maps don't have that distance to the third... You basically need 2 armies to defend that...
Erm.. Have you seen taldarim or any of the other temple tile maps? There's multiple entry points on all of those maps, at least 2 to the third.
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Come on ACE MATCH!!!!!!!!
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On December 08 2012 16:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
I mean if it would make you guys feel better they could make that little choke a ramp instead so it feels like any other map when you get ff'd out of your main? Most maps don't have that distance to the third... You basically need 2 armies to defend that...
Most players don't take their third first~.
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gogo fantasy lets see something crazyyyy
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On December 08 2012 16:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
I mean if it would make you guys feel better they could make that little choke a ramp instead so it feels like any other map when you get ff'd out of your main? Most maps don't have that distance to the third... You basically need 2 armies to defend that...
are you kidding me? his main is closer to his third than most maps because his natural is behind the main. compare something like that to trying to spread your defenses on 3 base on daybreak or abyssal city against an attacking zerg.
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On December 08 2012 16:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
I mean if it would make you guys feel better they could make that little choke a ramp instead so it feels like any other map when you get ff'd out of your main? Most maps don't have that distance to the third... You basically need 2 armies to defend that...
Sounds like it's a good zerg map z_z
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I'm not sure what the force field complaining is about in that situation, he actually had 2 hatches worth of production to defend the base that was being attacked because of the location of the natural. It's actually easier than defending a traditional main which is completely isolated.
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On December 08 2012 16:47 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:44 avilo wrote:
Why are casters saying this is abuse? Everyone knows you can do the sentry FF insta-win on virtually every map with a 1 FF ramp. It's just most Zergs nowadays are knowledgeable enough and prepare for it and shut it down quite easily. Casters misled noobs here.
Correction: Noobcasters.
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why do people say "the map is not balance"? This is team league. You can use the race that have advantage in that map.
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On December 08 2012 16:43 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:42 MasterKang wrote:On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no. I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main. there are no maps with 1 FF chokes between main and 3rd.. because normally your main isn't connected directly with your third O_o
Still that was pretty hardcore, he blocked the 3rd and could've retreated to the 2nd and put one forcefield there. Besides that, he sent 4 stalkers to harass the 2nd from an crazy position... Oh well, it was just one game but i thought Best really seemed to know how to abuse the map. We'll probably see more games and one day we'll know for sure.
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[/QUOTE]Which other map has a third that far away?[/QUOTE]
He didn't even lose his 3rd, and he had no units. So this point your making is moot.
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