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shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1081
Regardless of whether Hyvaa could or could not have won on another map, that map was just bad for SC2. Bad.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 07:43:43
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1082
Dont whine pls, its the same with every map with ramp, one FF and you block it. It was good strategy for this particular game.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1083
On December 08 2012 16:42 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no.

I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main.


there are no maps with 1 FF chokes between main and 3rd..


because normally your main isn't connected directly with your third O_o
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1084
I'm Keen on some Classic TvT right now...

also if KT 4-0's AND SKT loses this'll be the best opening this season could've possibly gotten
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1961 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1085
On December 08 2012 16:39 iamho wrote:
Forcefield is seriously one of the dumbest ideas Blizzard has ever had...

Yeah, it's one of those ideas which looks good at first, then you play with it for a bit and it's still good, then you're kinda like 'eh? this ain't as good as i thought,' then everyone realizes it's crap except for the people who created it in the first place cause they're too proud/dumb and the game stagnates and dies due that crappy idea.

I don't like forcefields.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1086
On December 08 2012 16:42 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:41 SoFrOsTy wrote:
I know everyone is saying that forcefield ruined that map, which I don't disagree. But I don't even think we can for sure judge, that build that Hyvaa did was terrible.... he had 3 infestors when this push came. on any map with a ramp that build would have worked. lol


Hyvaa had another base connected to the main by ground to reinforce with, remember that, that's actually even better than having main with ramp.


The other base is also blocked by one forcefield?
Never make a hydralisk.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1087
On December 08 2012 16:42 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no.

I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main.

1 FF choke like Daybreak, Antiga, Entombed, Cloud Kingdom, etc..... It only worked because Best was able to distract hyvaa by harassing the natural like that.


so what we're saying is that all maps are imbalanced?
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 07:44:38
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1088
A player abusing map features against an unprepared player doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the map.

I'd rather watch interesting games than fall asleep during Daybreak / Metropolis games. -_-
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1089
On December 08 2012 16:42 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no.

I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main.


there are no maps with 1 FF chokes between main and 3rd..

That's because there aren't any other maps where the main is next to the third.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1090
On December 08 2012 16:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:42 MasterKang wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:40 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:38 shizaep wrote:
This map is ridiculously imbalanced. You actually just can't have chokes like that in SC2. And that stalker spot....just no.

I agree about the stalker spot, but a 1 FF choke at the main is STANDARD in all maps. That warp prism attack would have played out the exact same way if it was on a map with a normal ramped main.


there are no maps with 1 FF chokes between main and 3rd..


calm before the storm


jungle basin :p
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1091
On December 08 2012 16:39 JJH777 wrote:
I don't see why this is any worse than the normal warpprism/sentry thing people do on other maps. I guess letting it happen here is even worse because then you lose 2 bases but either way if you let it happen it's gg.



Because the 3rd is just too far away. On other maps, you can at least keep some of the army at the main and still be able to reinforce if attack goes to the third. Not sure what Kespa is thinking with direct ports of maps from BW. Yes, new maps are nice but you need to test them first.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 07:44:07
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1092
On December 08 2012 16:42 NightElf wrote:
Lol.......I dont understand why SC2 needs choke..For gods sake,make wider choke kespa.this game was really bad..someone losing like that..
Anyway atleast bisu smiled....
gj best....

People will then whine about 4gate v 4gate PvP. See: Tal'Darim Altar, Scrap Station.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#1093
On December 08 2012 16:32 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:25 figq wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:22 Dosey wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:19 jalstar wrote:
You Rain anti-team guys are brave, Bogus is a lot better than most of Rain's opponents will be.

Seriously. I'd much rather pick a really bad player and two mid tiers than one top tier and two really bads.
with rain you can pick two 1 pointers who will never be played
and rain is indeed overpriced at 12, which usually means anti-team

Different strategies I guess. I think JD was the more glaringly obvious high priced anti choice with zenio/thorzain being an easy 2nd if you want to pick a 1 pointer 3rd.
by the way, i was only theorizing about rain on anti
i myself went full T8 on anti
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1094
now there can only be pvp on that map lol, unless blizzard makes queen massive type lololol
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1095
On December 08 2012 16:42 Lonyo wrote:
Poll: Did you know you can FF block the main on most maps?

Yes, I knew you could do that on most maps (32)
 
91%

No, I didn't. I thought you could only do it on that map so it's a bad map (3)
 
9%

35 total votes

Your vote: Did you know you can FF block the main on most maps?

(Vote): Yes, I knew you could do that on most maps
(Vote): No, I didn't. I thought you could only do it on that map so it's a bad map




lol nice
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1096
On December 08 2012 16:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:
shit I think I had hyvaa on my team as a last minute change T_T


yeah, me too -.-
hyvaa instead of soO...
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ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1097

On December 08 2012 16:40 iKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:39 Goldfish wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:37 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
I like the map mix up, but I think it's funny that so many are praising them because if blizzard had made these and put them in ladder there would be no end to the lamentations of how bad they are


Well, maybe but one of the main reasons why these maps are being praised is because it's being used in a team league / pro league where imbalanced or favored races don't matter as much (again, teams can decide which race to send on which maps).


No they can't. Maps are drawn after teams have sent out their players.
They do that to make sure you don't get mirror matchups all the time because, for example, everyone sends out a P on Daybreak every time.



They knew the map list first, then arrange the lineups.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1098
Hyvaa could have just as easily done a two-base muta or burrow-move roach oriented build and saved himself the forcefield silliness. The map is weird, yes, but no one should be taking that game as evidence of imbalance.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1099
On December 08 2012 16:43 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 16:42 Caihead wrote:
On December 08 2012 16:41 SoFrOsTy wrote:
I know everyone is saying that forcefield ruined that map, which I don't disagree. But I don't even think we can for sure judge, that build that Hyvaa did was terrible.... he had 3 infestors when this push came. on any map with a ramp that build would have worked. lol


Hyvaa had another base connected to the main by ground to reinforce with, remember that, that's actually even better than having main with ramp.


The other base is also blocked by one forcefield?


.... So you have to have two sentries in two places, instead of 1 sentry in 1 place blocking one ramp. This map is harder to forcefield than normal maps, period.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
December 08 2012 07:44 GMT
#1100
Why are casters saying this is abuse? Everyone knows you can do the sentry FF insta-win on virtually every map with a 1 FF ramp. It's just most Zergs nowadays are knowledgeable enough and prepare for it and shut it down quite easily.
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