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megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
November 20 2012 10:34 GMT
#841
i'm just not sure what creator is trying to do with his mid-game builds here. like, each game he intends to take a third base but he wastes a lot of resources on meaningless "harassment"

Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
November 20 2012 10:34 GMT
#842
Letting his mothership get neural'ed though... :/
I love crazymoving
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
November 20 2012 10:34 GMT
#843
I was kind of excited to see a void ray mix in...then he made carriers. Carriers are just completely useless supply filling in PvZ. Interceptors get annihilated.

The armies I've seen work best involve archon tanking for colossus/high templar just mowing down the infested terrans, before finally blinking in the take down the brood lords. Would've been interested to see void rays replacing the stalker portion.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
November 20 2012 10:34 GMT
#844
On November 20 2012 19:32 Ahelvin wrote:
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On November 20 2012 19:30 Insoleet wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:27 AbuntuGuntu wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:26 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
Carriers without Templar.

HyuN played and engaged perfectly because all he needed was Infestors lol.

You need HT.


Did you miss the storms and feedback? He had like 10 HT's.

Obviously you need 30-40 of them.


First post with any sense there.

32 infestors, only 10 HT (which are infestor counter as equal numbers), and PROTOSS COMPLAINS ? WHAAAT ?

Obviously creator had too much air and not enough templars.

Hint: Storms do not stack. If you have more than 12 templars, all you can do is overstorm.

On the other hand, if you have 32 infestors, you can pretty much cover the screen in Infested Terrans and use the rest for fungals.


You can do infinite storm with 20 templars on the infestor/infested terrans army. IT will do nothing, and you'll kill so much infestors with it.

You need archon to tank the broodlings damages

Too much hair, not enough templars.

Also, having all your air stacked was stupid. Easy fungle for hyun. Its like if zerg would stack his 15 broodlords and get vortexed... Protoss wouldnt whine there, protoss would say "zerg had bad control !".
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
November 20 2012 10:34 GMT
#845
I don't know why you'd ever want to take a competent zerg to the late game.
Mahavishnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada396 Posts
November 20 2012 10:34 GMT
#846
Starcraft 2 doesn't need protoss or zerg to have good games. Terran is the only fun part of spectating.
everything is gravity
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#847
Just don't let the zerg do his perfect army comp. People did not complained as much about 3 3 mech in BW.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#848
Rain confirmed having better end-game PvZ army control.

Creator why SO IMPATIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Play your best
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#849
On November 20 2012 19:33 MangoMountain wrote:
Creator fucked up his control, I don't know what you're complaining about. He could easily have done more damage with the army he had and just recalled out if things got hairy too


Doing MORE damage than hardly any damage at all still wouldn't have won him the game. Better control may have made the battle look a little more interesting, but he still would have lost.
Herp Derp
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#850
On November 20 2012 19:33 MangoMountain wrote:
Creator fucked up his control, I don't know what you're complaining about. He could easily have done more damage with the army he had and just recalled out if things got hairy too



You don't understand how Recall works do you?

That Mothership was in the army, Recall pulls an army TO the mothership, the town portal Recall is only in HOTS beta with the Mothership core.
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polishedturd
Profile Joined October 2010
United States505 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#851
On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
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On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition

hurp durp


That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD

Maek Infestor hurp durp


no it isn't

im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows
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Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1351 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#852
At least fungel and neural is not broken.
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Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#853
Hyun was turtling behind a zillion spines and spores, vortex requires your slow mothership to come to a complete halt. There was no conceivable scenario in which Hyun does not completely mess up where the protoss ever wins in that position. And Creator didn't friggin' move command the mothership. Thats a mothership that is attempting a vortex. Do you ever wonder why these days more zergs seem to get vortex' off than the protoss who own the mothership? Its actually easier for them, positionally.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#854
On November 20 2012 19:33 Flonomenalz wrote:
Oh, he did have 10 templar.

Well never mind, I have no excuses then. My stream lagged a bit so I guess I missed the storms or feedbacks, I just saw carriers/voids/mothership against 10000000 infested terrans and fungals.


He hardly used any feedbacks i saw like 2 tops. He needed to do more but where he battled he had no chance to get any off, clutch fungalled to death to be honest. If that was battle in middle of map i think he has better chance.
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
November 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#855
On November 20 2012 19:33 TechNoTrance wrote:
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On November 20 2012 19:30 dainbramage wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:29 TechNoTrance wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:27 dainbramage wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:26 TechNoTrance wrote:
10000 minerals, 12 gates

Zealots do well against 15 broodlords I heard.

He has no gas he can't warp in anything useful with those minerals


He had like 3-4 thousand gas when the fight happened... Pay more attention?

...which immediately disappeared into voids and HT even with his mere 12 gates. So more gateways would only have been able to make zealots.


...which is why slowly building void rays and HT against an army that just crushed that composition isn't ideal is it?

So if Creator instantly remaxes on stalkers while Hyun remaxes with the corruptors he made, Creator has a chance to overwhelm the weakened army.


There was still enough Infestor energy left and Hyun can just back off into his Spine Crawler Wall.
If Hyun overcommits Stalkers would have had a chance but if Hyun play it out intelligently Stalkers are completely useless.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 20 2012 10:36 GMT
#856
What if... creator went for mass warp prism + colossus / ht drop on top of the infestors, then recalled his colossi after storming / feedbacking / lasering everything :o
:)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 20 2012 10:36 GMT
#857
On November 20 2012 19:32 Mackus wrote:
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On November 20 2012 19:31 Fionn wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Mackus wrote:
SC2 in a nutshell;

BWC Top 3 all Toss must be OP
TvZ and PvZ broken, Z must be op
T underpowered, but we'll nerf bunkers anyhow.


BWC was skewed since the Korean qualifiers was when Protoss was at it's strongest. They rolled through that tournament and had the strongest Koreans at BWC.


Yeah yeah, it was just sarcasm really due to the inevitable balance whines, BWC would have been much different if WCS Korea Prelims didn't clash with MLG

weren't many relevant players at MLG other than taeja really
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FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
November 20 2012 10:36 GMT
#858
On November 20 2012 19:34 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:32 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


He move-commanded his mothership into the infestors and clumped carriers for fungals. I don't see how Creator played perfectly; that last engagement was much more disastrous for him than Artosis and Tasteless made it sound.

He didn't move command.

He got a vortex off then got fungaled than neuralled.


His vortex was terrible, grabbing barely anything. In fact, the addition of a mothership in the composition was questionable to begin with, since he didn't have the splash and since Hyun had neural.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 20 2012 10:36 GMT
#859
On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition

hurp durp


That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD

Maek Infestor hurp durp


no it isn't

im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows


What is the strongest protoss composition?
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Twilight Sparkle
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia235 Posts
November 20 2012 10:36 GMT
#860
On November 20 2012 19:32 FlyingTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


He move-commanded his mothership into the infestors and clumped carriers for fungals. I don't see how Creator played perfectly; that last engagement was much more disastrous for him than Artosis and Tasteless made it sound.

Yeah but if we acccept that Creator's play wasn't completely flawless in every respect then we can't declare from a single game that zerg is overpowered.
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